4G93 into Mirage, now 4G94 into Mirage

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Would you know ballpark figure to get a new key cut to suit existing Mirage locks/ignition barrel but with code to suit Lancer 1.8 ECU??


Joshy_morris said:
Easisest option i would have done is get a locksmith to just recode your old key to the new ecu, or if it cant be recoded just get them to make one to code, saves changine key barrels and keys to match ecu's but is costly.
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They would cut a blank one to fir ur barrel and code it to the ecu. So not sure. If you can recode the keys wich im sure you can it would be cheaper lol
 
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mister minute with do a copy of a Mitsubishi key (not genuine) for about $130 a pop give or take and a genuine one from Mitsubishi don't even bother the price is crazy because you have to buy the genuine key then take it and get it cut then take the car and key back to the dealer for them to code it.
mister minute man i asked said he can't recode genuine keys but he was pretty shifty about it and tried to sell me one of his but i have seen him recode a genuine holden key he sold me when it lost the plot so maybe its just a Mitsubishi thing i don't know.
If you got the whole wreck there the most cost affective way is to just change the locks to suit, that's what i did but i only have one key so ill just get a copy from mister minute as a spare i think.
 
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This is why I am against compulsory immobilisers, such a hassle.
Thanks for the clues.
Its not just that I don't want to change the Mirage locks, I was only able to salvage the Ignition plus one other lock from the donor and I only have the one 1.8 key.
I have an oddball idea :idea:
1. Unplug Mirage key reader, leave in place.
2. Fit salvaged 1.8 immobiliser unit and engine ECU.
3. Plug salvaged key reader in and tape 1.8 key to it. Might need to extend key reader wires so I can tuck it out of the way under dash or somewhere convenient. (I will test this idea soon, not sure if it will work).
4. Use a $8 brass key to operate Mirage ignition and door/hatch locks. Plus I can use the two remote central locking Mirage fobs if I want.
I think this is an easy $8 solution to my problem???

mmc77 said:
mister minute with do a copy of a Mitsubishi key (not genuine) for about $130 a pop give or take and a genuine one from Mitsubishi don't even bother the price is crazy because you have to buy the genuine key then take it and get it cut then take the car and key back to the dealer for them to code it.
mister minute man i asked said he can't recode genuine keys but he was pretty shifty about it and tried to sell me one of his but i have seen him recode a genuine holden key he sold me when it lost the plot so maybe its just a Mitsubishi thing i don't know.
If you got the whole wreck there the most cost affective way is to just change the locks to suit, that's what i did but i only have one key so ill just get a copy from mister minute as a spare i think.
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its ghetto as but it'll work. but like you said you'll need to put the taped one away from your original key so there is no confusion of the signals.
 
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As long as the warm weather lasts the house is demanding to be painted inside, outside and underneath :oops: so my Mirage project is only getting stolen moments.
The experts were right about the time factor. Pulling the donor Lancer apart was excellent practice and the Mirage strip out was completed in WAY less time than the Lancer parts donor took.
Cheers ;)
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Your back, wondered what happened with this car.
Good job man always good to see a 1.5 being removed.
 
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glad to see you have not given up on this swap.. keep up the great work... beleive it or not the rest is really very easy to finish off...

Are you wanting to up the ppower on the 1.8 because if you are now is the perfect time to port out the intake manifold before you put the engine back into the car as it is much easier to do this out rather than in...
 
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Thanks for the encouragement guys, much appreciated ;)
Because this Mirage swap is my first ever with a Mitsubishi I figure I am still on a damn steep learning curve so I think I should firstly get this stock 1.8 running well. I need the practice and this is the simplest proven CE swap going.
Whilst I have the 1.8 on the ground I treated it to a new timing belt which is needed on an age rather than kays basis.
Some of you may remember that when I started hunting for a parts donor it was not for a CE 1.8 but a CH 2.0 and I still can't get this idea out of my head because I think its best for my needs.
A couple of weeks ago I actually saw a stunning low kays 2005 4G94 CS writeoff at auction and I tried to grab it but it went over my budget.
I've also thought about a low boost turbo conversion for the stock 4G93 1.8 but thats just dreaming out loud for now.
Was also looking at the spec of the 2.0 litre 4B11 as seen in the CJ and I think its a cool powerplant but even more of a pain to slip into a CE than the obviously troublesome 4G69. Still makes for a fun dream.
If I stick with the 1.8 I may do some simple mods like a better exhaust and perhaps a little porting as Chowetime suggested. If the 1.8 gives me no nightmares then I think this will give me the enthusiasm to try further more adventurous mods.
Oh well better get back to the paintbrush, this effing house won't paint itself..........
Cheers ;)

chowetime said:
glad to see you have not given up on this swap.. keep up the great work... beleive it or not the rest is really very easy to finish off...

Are you wanting to up the ppower on the 1.8 because if you are now is the perfect time to port out the intake manifold before you put the engine back into the car as it is much easier to do this out rather than in...
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glad that you have a plan and sticking to it especially for your first engine swap... but there are a few things that you can do easily without compromising if the car will start or not - being the intake manifold...
the CJ will not be a possibility due to how the engine sits and other things - but keep an eye out for a 4G94 as they can make for a great upgrade - but the 4G93 is by far the best one as it has so many after market parts available
 
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Thanks for the clue ;)
Pity about the 4B11 being a non starter but I was expecting that. Looks totally excellent on paper anyway.
I have an electrical dilemma :?:
When I was unplugging the Mirage alternator I noticed the plug is different to the same plug on the Lancer alternator.
My 2003 Mirage has a 75 watt alternator and the 2002 Lancer a 90 watt but aside from that and the plug issue look to be almost identical.
I was going to use the Mirage 75 watt on the Lancer engine to get around the plug issue but then I noticed the pulleys are different too.
OK so the pulleys are held on with a big nut and I daresay would need a rattle gun and lots of luck to remove (I have neither).
SO I though maybe I can swap the plugs over..............NO
The Mirage loom has 2 wires going to the plug and the Lancer loom has 4 wires going to its plug.
Bugger........ :thumbdown:
Did you guys have this problem and what did you do??
Cheers

chowetime said:
glad that you have a plan and sticking to it especially for your first engine swap... but there are a few things that you can do easily without compromising if the car will start or not - being the intake manifold...
the CJ will not be a possibility due to how the engine sits and other things - but keep an eye out for a 4G94 as they can make for a great upgrade - but the 4G93 is by far the best one as it has so many after market parts available
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IIRC, the extra two wires are for a feed back circuit to the ecu. you have three options,
a) Use the g15 alternator, the pulley is a different size, so it will spin at a slightly different speed, this won't really matter unless you put a BIG sound system and lots of lights etc.
b) Use the power loom off the g93, which runs from the engine fuse box around under the radiator and into the interior fuse box in the drivers foot well.
c) Swap the 2 pin plug for a 4 pin plug (cut solder and heat shrink), leaving the feedback circuit not used, this lets you use the g93 alternator.

I would do option a or c,
If you not running a huge stereo, or big driving lights, a, is fine. If you really want to use the g93 alternator, go for option c, the ecu may throw a code, but i wouldn't worry about it, as the two wires are hook into the battery light in the cluster, to give you an indication when some thing is wrong, ie the battery isn't charging properly
 
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You just need the loom that goes from alternator to the fuse box pretty simple connection there nothing dramatic swap out for correct loom and correct alternator besides if you don't go that way the alternator loom also connects up to a wire loom that goes into the interior/ecu and those plugs will not connect up... If you stay with the 4g15 alternator
 
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Thanks for the info/clues ;)
The issue with the different pulleys was not diameter but width in any case I found the local sparkie was prepared to swap the pulley for $20 if I wanted. He said to swap the RHS engine bay loom over, major drama.
I went for Chowietime suggestion that seems to swap out the troublesome section of the RHS engine bay loom without the pain of swapping the whole thing. I can't test the result until I get the motor in but I like the idea in theory.
Cheers

mongoose15 said:
IIRC, the extra two wires are for a feed back circuit to the ecu. you have three options,
a) Use the g15 alternator, the pulley is a different size, so it will spin at a slightly different speed, this won't really matter unless you put a BIG sound system and lots of lights etc.
b) Use the power loom off the g93, which runs from the engine fuse box around under the radiator and into the interior fuse box in the drivers foot well.
c) Swap the 2 pin plug for a 4 pin plug (cut solder and heat shrink), leaving the feedback circuit not used, this lets you use the g93 alternator.

I would do option a or c,
If you not running a huge stereo, or big driving lights, a, is fine. If you really want to use the g93 alternator, go for option c, the ecu may throw a code, but i wouldn't worry about it, as the two wires are hook into the battery light in the cluster, to give you an indication when some thing is wrong, ie the battery isn't charging properly
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That was a very clever idea you had Chowietime! :thumbup:
Once I peeled the tape off and separated the wires in the alternator branch of the RHS engine bay loom I could see that I had a removable unpluggable swappable sub loom that seemed to eliminate the mismatch in the plugs!!
It even makes sense to this electrical DUMMY :D
Another thing I like is that this part of the loom is now more flexible because I didn't bind it all together as it had been just added enough tape to give the wires protection and left the sub loom separate.
Hopefully its job done but can't be certain until the motor goes back in sometime in the future...........
Muchos Gracias :clap:

chowetime said:
You just need the loom that goes from alternator to the fuse box pretty simple connection there nothing dramatic swap out for correct loom and correct alternator besides if you don't go that way the alternator loom also connects up to a wire loom that goes into the interior/ecu and those plugs will not connect up... If you stay with the 4g15 alternator
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ASSEMBLY HAS STARTED! :)
I have fitted the ignition barrel and immobilizer ecu from the 1.8 donor Lancer into the Mirage but I just wanted to clarify something that I thought I already had the answer on please???
I understood that all I need change to keep the 4G93 happy in my Mirage was the engine ECU, immobilizer ECU, ignition barrel and chipped keys from the donor Lancer.
Is there any reason to change the alarm/central locking electronic items?? (I have fobs for both the Mirage and Lancer)
I was told that the immobilizer and the alarm/central locking systems are in no way linked and therefore I can leave the alarm/central locking gadgets from the Mirage untouched. Is this correct??
The reason I am asking is that I was once told I would not have to change any items connected to the Mirage RHS engine bay loom but following the mismatch with alternator connectors clearly this info was not entirely accurate.
Cheers,
Greg
 
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hey Greg you are correct you only need to put into the new car is the 4G93 ECU (located on passenger side ) the immobiliser ecu (the piece that sits on the drivers side of the middle ) the ignition barrel and the door locks the othe stuff you leave as is...
 
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Thats great Christine, thanks ;)
chowetime said:
hey Greg you are correct you only need to put into the new car is the 4G93 ECU (located on passenger side ) the immobiliser ecu (the piece that sits on the drivers side of the middle ) the ignition barrel and the door locks the othe stuff you leave as is...
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This is a great thread, as i have just got myself a doner 1.8 Lancer to replace the 1.5 in my coupe.
Thanks for the read.
 
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