4G93 into Mirage, now 4G94 into Mirage

[chowetime]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

You're right I don't need to beat up on myself, the cars will do that very efficiently
I'm having today off as I need the inner peace, think butterflies and the breeze in the trees......
I figured the two plastic plugs that connect to the gauges need to come loose but it was not obvious how they disconnect.
The central dash panel that houses the heater controls hazzard flashers clock etc is still in place and I figured that should be out, I could not see inside too well the gearshift was giving me grief so I moved on to other areas.
I can see bolts and other mystery items coming through the firewall/bulkhead into the engine bay and I figured some of them would be holding heater aircon items in place...........
Sorry I don't know what you mean by "body control module and box next to it"???
Hope to get a gregory's manual in a few days.
Thanks for all the clues :thumbup:
Cheers,
Greg.

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The gauge connection wires are just held in place by the molded shape of the dash so you just need to slide and twist these out of position... (20 second job)

Inside the engine bay you should see two black hoses that appear to go thri the fire wall of the car they are held in place by two metal alligator clips these need to be removed so that you can remove the air cond boxes the black hoses are located behind the throttle body

The body control modular (BCM) is under the dash on drivers side it is a white box with wires hanging out of it from the back and next to that is another box that has more wires this needs to be unplugged as the wires from this connect to the dash...

You do not need to do anything with the gear lever.

We're about do you live as there maybe someone close by that can give you a hand...

 

[martian_mirage]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

I'm a hopeless bargain hunter so I tried to scoop a cheap pre-loved workshop manual off Ebay but on the day a dozen other Lancer lovers had the same idea and it fetched over retail price.
Plan B............
THE LIBRARY :idea:
There was a copy of the Gregory's Lancer manual in all four libraries near me, thats what I call a bargain

...have you got Gregory manual? if you havnt get one it tells you every step in the right order to make it much easier best $40 you'll ever spend.

100% agreed on this. :thumbup:

Any Supercheap or Repco will carry them, easily found.

 

[martian_mirage]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

Thanks muchly I will attack the dash again with all these fresh clues
Will report progress........
Cheers,
Greg

quote="chowetime"]

You're right I don't need to beat up on myself, the cars will do that very efficiently
I'm having today off as I need the inner peace, think butterflies and the breeze in the trees......
I figured the two plastic plugs that connect to the gauges need to come loose but it was not obvious how they disconnect.
The central dash panel that houses the heater controls hazzard flashers clock etc is still in place and I figured that should be out, I could not see inside too well the gearshift was giving me grief so I moved on to other areas.
I can see bolts and other mystery items coming through the firewall/bulkhead into the engine bay and I figured some of them would be holding heater aircon items in place...........
Sorry I don't know what you mean by "body control module and box next to it"???
Hope to get a gregory's manual in a few days.
Thanks for all the clues :thumbup:
Cheers,
Greg.

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The gauge connection wires are just held in place by the molded shape of the dash so you just need to slide and twist these out of position... (20 second job)

Inside the engine bay you should see two black hoses that appear to go thri the fire wall of the car they are held in place by two metal alligator clips these need to be removed so that you can remove the air cond boxes the black hoses are located behind the throttle body

The body control modular (BCM) is under the dash on drivers side it is a white box with wires hanging out of it from the back and next to that is another box that has more wires this needs to be unplugged as the wires from this connect to the dash...

You do not need to do anything with the gear lever.

We're about do you live as there maybe someone close by that can give you a hand...[/quote]

 

[mmc77]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

wow... a weeks hold up to save 30 bucks man that's mental, hope the library likes it being returned covered in grease .
That's what i call being a tight ass man. and in b4 someone says maybe he can't spare the $30 cause if you can afford a donor car you can afford a users manual.
All this effort put in by members to give you info and the only reason is because your cheap.
Good luck.

 

[martian_mirage]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

I'm in the outer Eastern suburbs of Melbourne but at this stage I don't want to be asking for members to rescue me in person even if they were generous enough to offer.
Right now I'm just stripping the donor and thats pretty hard to screw up badly.
Later on when the 1.8 is in the Mirage and it won't go................now that would be a good time to be holding a get me out of jail card.
In short I don't want to wear out my welcome with easy stuff.
Cheers,
Greg

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We're about do you live as there maybe someone close by that can give you a hand...[/quote]

 

[Jazza]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

I don't intend to use the pristine black interior out of my donor 2002 Commonwealth games edition coupe so maybe this dash removal will make selling unwanted items easier......

woah woah, why not? Everybody wants a black dash and interior, they are the best!! Makes the interior look so much nicer. Are you taking the power windows/mirrors too? Wouldn't be hard to install since you've got the whole car in pieces anyway.

 

[martian_mirage]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

Well believe it or not I like the look of my silver Mirage pretty much as is, manual windows, manual mirrors and stock grey intrerior included.
Appearance wise the one big thing i don't like about my Mirage is the big wing someone stuck on the rear hatch (its gotta go) and I also hate that I must work around bloody stupid immobilisers, alarms and airbags. GRRRR
I love that term, KISS, keep it simple stupid.
Call it a generational thing.
If I was able I would like to replace a few items in my interior that are not in perfect condition, the drivers seat, the steering wheel and the carpet.
Stock wheels/covers are not to my taste but I'm very fussy about mags and I've not seen anything yet that suits the car.
The fake "drivers lights" in the front bumper are really tacky, they need attention. Finally I'm devastated that I can't find a good aftermarket tail light for the Mirage. If ever a car was crying out for a cool clear/crystal taillight conversion the MIrage is it. Whoever makes "altezza" style lights really dropped the ball by failing to cater to the Mirage owners.
If my Mirage ends up being a quick car I have always liked the idea of a "wolf in sheeps clothing" which is to say a tidy stock looking car that can slay giants if its in the mood.
Its not that I dislike the look of the black interior in my donor Lancer, in fact its the tidiest interior I've ever seen in any used car I've ever owned. I just like the stock grey.
I was checking the car over after it was towed home and I looked in the boot. It was like a time capsule that had not been opened since 2002. Not a speck of dust, carpet that looks new and in the wheel well a brand spanking ROH mag (15X6.5) the same as the others,never been on the road, unused tools. The car looks more like its ten months old rather than ten years old. Kinda sad such a gem got written off really but I have to be grateful to get such a good donor.
I reckon I got lucky with this Lancer because it was owned by an Asian lady before it was written off so its mint. Only fault I can see inside is four small holes in the gearshift console which I think had some kind of mobile phone gadget screwed to it.
The bits I don't want are naturally up for grabs if anybody wants to make me an offer.
Cheers,
Greg

I don't intend to use the pristine black interior out of my donor 2002 Commonwealth games edition coupe so maybe this dash removal will make selling unwanted items easier......

woah woah, why not? Everybody wants a black dash and interior, they are the best!! Makes the interior look so much nicer. Are you taking the power windows/mirrors too? Wouldn't be hard to install since you've got the whole car in pieces anyway.

 

[martian_mirage]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

DASH IS OUT!!
My thanks to the forum helpers
To any who have not done this before I would add a couple of things the Gregory's bible gets WRONG.
They say to remove the heater control module.
I could see no reason for this besides which one of the control cables is a mongrel to get to so I ignored this bit of advice, left it in place.
After all is seemingly done and the dash is supposed to lift out I found (if my Lancer donor is the same as all of them) that there was a loop of the wiring loom above the instrument panel area securely attached to the upper rear dash area.
Imagine you are sitting on the central tunnel facing the dash.
Pull the dash towards you as far as the trapped wiring will allow.
Rotate the dash so the rear of the dash is facing sorta upwards.
Remove the phillips screws holding the demister and heater ducts to the dash, remove ducts.
Unclip the loop of the loom still attached to the backside of the instrument binnacle area.
Remove dash.
Get beer and pizza

 

[Gillzy]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

top effort mate, any pics of the days work?

 

[chowetime]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

DASH IS OUT!!

They say to remove the heater control module.
I could see no reason for this besides which one of the control cables is a mongrel to get to so I ignored this bit of advice, left it in place.
After all is seemingly done and the dash is supposed to lift out I found (if my Lancer donor is the same as all of them) that there was a loop of the wiring loom above the instrument panel area securely attached to the upper rear dash area.
Imagine you are sitting on the central tunnel facing the dash.
Pull the dash towards you as far as the trapped wiring will allow.
Rotate the dash so the rear of the dash is facing sorta upwards.
Remove the phillips screws holding the demister and heater ducts to the dash, remove ducts.
Unclip the loop of the loom still attached to the backside of the instrument binnacle area.
Remove dash.
Get beer and pizza

So it was a 15 minute job then... glad to hear you got it out easily then

 

[mmc77]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

good job. like all religious readings its open to interpretation . I left my climate control still bolted to the car when i pulled the dash because that what i find easier and quicker for me.
When you get to the bit about pulling the engine out the top and it says you need to remove the gear box first you'll have to ignore that part too.
Just so you know the Gregory manuals get all there information direct from the manufacturer, but as you have found there are many was to skin a cat and at the end of the day you'll much better off with it then without it.
agreed with what's mentioned above throw some pics up so we can all see your progress, keep up the good work.

 

[martian_mirage]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

Pics were my first thought!
My contacts all want a progress report.
My sodding camera won't turn on!!
So I'm on a camera hunt.........
Pics soon I hope
Cheers,
Greg

top effort mate, any pics of the days work?

 

[martian_mirage]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

Until I can get another camera I have a few pics of my donor Lancer that I took just after it arrived home, have stripped a few of the mashed parts but nothing serious at that stage.
Sorry for the ordinary quality, I AM the worst photographer in the southern hemishphere..........
I don't use photobucket much so not sure if this will work...........
here goes nothing.........


http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii136/twum_au/Lancer Mirage swap 2012/

 

[d3x]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

interesting rims, looks like they may actually assist in cooling down the brakes

 

[chowetime]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

can you not fix the front end up and get the car registered... that would seem to be the easiest thing to do - the front looks fixable... all you need to get is a front clip - drill out the spot welds straighten out the rest of the rail (get a pro to do) and then get the new front end welded back in... this is very doeable I have done it to two on my cars cost to get this done was less than $300 - I did do all the drilling out of holes etc but saved me huge $$

 

[martian_mirage]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

You are right, the Lancer could be fixed, in theory,but not by me.
Chowietime, Christine, I gotta say if nobody else has so far, you are AMAZING TIMES TEN! :thumbup:
The few stories I have looked at in my brief time in the forum you do stuff every day, without breaking a sweat that SUPERMAN shrink from, that SUPERWOMAN would think twice about.........
TOTAL LEGEND!!!
I nominate Chowietime as Australia's first living national treasure!!
Where was I?.....
Oh, I won't bore you with a LONG list of reasons why I can't get involved with major panel repairs on a car that does not suit my needs anyway. (my Mirage is a HATCH, practical) I'm not the one to fix this Lancer bodily but it would be nice if the next owner wanted to. The car will be available after I pinch the engine etc.
In my judgement the Lancer was probably stationary or hardly moving when hit from the right. Airbag OK.
The RHS chassis rail is badly buckled/twisted just forward of the engine mount.
The RHS skirt similar.
Front lower subframe bent/crushed as is rad support.
The whole front has moved over to the left and will require racking/pulling/ jigging.
So parts needed, RHS skirt/rail, front subframe &rad support. Bonnet, RHS guard, radiator leaking but repairable AC condenser bruised but not leaking, bumper, reo, grille, RHS lights
Victorian roadworthy standards are a monster. I'm not even sure that an amateur repair on this car would get past a VIV inspection here now.
I once had a writoff repaired and I did as much as I could do myself mainly stripping and reassembly but the VIV inspector still demanded TWO further trips back to the panel shop (who did ALL the major work) for trivial things before he would sign off on the car and this was years ago. It would be much worse now.
Cheers,
Greg

can you not fix the front end up and get the car registered... that would seem to be the easiest thing to do - the front looks fixable... all you need to get is a front clip - drill out the spot welds straighten out the rest of the rail (get a pro to do) and then get the new front end welded back in... this is very doeable I have done it to two on my cars cost to get this done was less than $300 - I did do all the drilling out of holes etc but saved me huge $$

 

[martian_mirage]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

Apologies to those pic starved petrol heads who requested dash pics
Would you believe it took me longer to track down a suitable replacement camera and teach myself how to use it than it did to find the Lancer donor, get it home and strip it to the stage you see!
Old folks and technology just don't mix
Anyway dash pics added to the photobucket file.

http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii13 ... ap%202012/

I gotta admit that electrical nightmare under the RHS dash scares the crap outa me
Cheers,
Greg

 

[mmc77]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

Nice pics your car your car looks like it has the exact same damage as the one i got. The right side chassis rail was bent on mine made it a bit tight getting the engine out but once you have the cross member out(the one the front and rear engine mounts are on) its easy to angle it with the gearbox down to give you a bit more room, I bought a load leveller from fx larkin which is a local tool shop for $40 made it alot easier.
AS for the RHS loom /wiring you should not need any of it for your swap, If you want to pull it all out and keep it aside for spares or anything thats not a bad idea, it is a bit of a wire jungle under there but MOST of those connectors to the BCM are all different shapes and sizes so they sort of only fit in the one spot.
My mirage is a 99 model and MR wreck was 03 and the rhs looms are identical from what i can see.
I pulled all the looms from the wreck just to keep aside more then anything and to make sure its ok til I finish the swap etc , but all I did was disconnect all the ecu plugs and push that loom through the firewall undo it from the battery terminal and fuse box and the section that goes along the firewall and then wrapped it up and sat in on top of the engine that way you dont have to disco all the plug on the engine etc

 

[martian_mirage]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

That would be a huge load off my mind if I didn't have to undo the spaghetti under the RHS dash!, thanks!
Up to this point I'd only heard that the RHS engine bay loom had to come out and right now I can't tell what it has attached to it (under the dash).
I will get to work on the left loom first because even I can't screw that up LOL.
After that I will take a bottle of brave pills and see how much trouble I can get into with the right side.
I'm hoping the crushed bodywork won't cause me trouble. The power steer pulley missed getting hit by a few mm but everything else looks clear.
More pics to follow.............
Cheers,
Greg

Nice pics your car your car looks like it has the exact same damage as the one i got. The right side chassis rail was bent on mine made it a bit tight getting the engine out but once you have the cross member out(the one the front and rear engine mounts are on) its easy to angle it with the gearbox down to give you a bit more room, I bought a load leveller from fx larkin which is a local tool shop for $40 made it alot easier.
AS for the RHS loom /wiring you should not need any of it for your swap, If you want to pull it all out and keep it aside for spares or anything thats not a bad idea, it is a bit of a wire jungle under there but MOST of those connectors to the BCM are all different shapes and sizes so they sort of only fit in the one spot.
My mirage is a 99 model and MR wreck was 03 and the rhs looms are identical from what i can see.
I pulled all the looms from the wreck just to keep aside more then anything and to make sure its ok til I finish the swap etc , but all I did was disconnect all the ecu plugs and push that loom through the firewall undo it from the battery terminal and fuse box and the section that goes along the firewall and then wrapped it up and sat in on top of the engine that way you dont have to disco all the plug on the engine etc

 

[martian_mirage]

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

Managed to get the LHS engine bay loom out of the donor Lancer today
Dunno if my method varies to others but I don't like fighting with parts so I took a bit longer and did more disassembly perhaps but now the white fan box and black aircon box can be fitted with no drama.
A few points-
I unplugged all the connectors on the LHS dash loom and undid the straps holding the loom to the horizontal reinforcement bar. Swung the loom out of the way. Gives some jiggling room for the fan and aircon boxes.
If you have power door accessories the plug wants to fall inside the A pillar after you undo it so I used a piece of strong cord tied to the wires so it could be retrieved if it did.
I removed the LHS steel bracket supporting the heater control module, makes black box removal easier.
Finally I pulled the black aircon box out totally because once this is out the white fan blower is easy to get out.
There is a WIDGETT on the engine bay side of the black aircon box that must be removed because it won't fit through the hole in the bulkhead/firewall.
The widgett is clamped to the two alloy aircon tubes in the engine bay by one small bolt, remove bolt. The widget is screwed to the backside of the black aircon box plumbing by two allen/grub screws. remove screws and widgett.
With the widgett off the black aircon box comes off EASY AS.
I trimmed some soundproofing material from around the hole where the engine bay loom goes through the firewall/bulkhead. Makes it easier to unclip the plastic gromett holder.
LHS engine bay loom salvaged!

http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii13 ... ap%202012/


Pics added to photobucket file