4G93 into Mirage, now 4G94 into Mirage
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chowetime
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Re: 4G93 into Mirage
Nice job there sounds like it is all coming together or rather unraveling itself nicely... Just remember when doing the interior loom the loom that runs along the dash to take the two relays that are connected to the centre post were the head unit goes the key reader box (grey box) start from left work to the right... You will also need to trace this loom under drivers seat to passenger seat (only earth and door signal wires) you can cut this single wire and reconnect up to your existing wire no big deal if it a failure to connect as it is just a door ajar wire....
Behind the drivers seat you also need to jus disconnect that is all
And yeah no need to take the loom that runs from drivers side to radiator to fuse box they are all the same....
When taking the key barrel put key in ignition turn key to acc. Then get thin nail and look under the key barrel and you will see a tiny gold button push this in and pull key out this will remove key barrel... Also grab the plastic bits that have wires etc coming fRom it I will post up pics tomorrow to show you what you need to get...
Umm as for he accolades.... You made me blush... Cheers
Nice job there sounds like it is all coming together or rather unraveling itself nicely... Just remember when doing the interior loom the loom that runs along the dash to take the two relays that are connected to the centre post were the head unit goes the key reader box (grey box) start from left work to the right... You will also need to trace this loom under drivers seat to passenger seat (only earth and door signal wires) you can cut this single wire and reconnect up to your existing wire no big deal if it a failure to connect as it is just a door ajar wire....
Behind the drivers seat you also need to jus disconnect that is all
And yeah no need to take the loom that runs from drivers side to radiator to fuse box they are all the same....
When taking the key barrel put key in ignition turn key to acc. Then get thin nail and look under the key barrel and you will see a tiny gold button push this in and pull key out this will remove key barrel... Also grab the plastic bits that have wires etc coming fRom it I will post up pics tomorrow to show you what you need to get...
Umm as for he accolades.... You made me blush... Cheers
martian_mirage
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Re: 4G93 into Mirage
Hmmm thats probably a good suggestion but this 237 year old member has no idea what you just said.........forum image code?..........nope, no idea, sorry
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Hmmm thats probably a good suggestion but this 237 year old member has no idea what you just said.........forum image code?..........nope, no idea, sorry
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mdclear said:
martian_mirage
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Re: 4G93 into Mirage
This old bugger is certainly on a learning curve.......
I'll freely admit that the Lancer has multiple "gadgets" under dash etc and I have no idea what many of them do. I'll try to identify stuff like "key reader box" and "head unit".
One of the multiple things that has me mystified at present is the idea of NOT replacing the RHS engine bay loom???
When I was disconnecting and labelling the items hooked up to the RHS engine bay loom I was surprised to see it was knitted into the LHS engine bay loom near the battery so in effect its like a loop. When I first read that I had to salvage the LHS and RHS engine bay looms I expected they were completely separate items but now they look like a continuous loop joined to the dash loom at two points, LHS and RHS???
As for accolades you are clearly not used to getting compliments and that's kinda sad but like a true superhero you feel funny about accepting medals, modesty as well, outstanding!
Cheers,
Greg
This old bugger is certainly on a learning curve.......
I'll freely admit that the Lancer has multiple "gadgets" under dash etc and I have no idea what many of them do. I'll try to identify stuff like "key reader box" and "head unit".
One of the multiple things that has me mystified at present is the idea of NOT replacing the RHS engine bay loom???
When I was disconnecting and labelling the items hooked up to the RHS engine bay loom I was surprised to see it was knitted into the LHS engine bay loom near the battery so in effect its like a loop. When I first read that I had to salvage the LHS and RHS engine bay looms I expected they were completely separate items but now they look like a continuous loop joined to the dash loom at two points, LHS and RHS???
As for accolades you are clearly not used to getting compliments and that's kinda sad but like a true superhero you feel funny about accepting medals, modesty as well, outstanding!
Cheers,
Greg
chowetime said:Nice job there sounds like it is all coming together or rather unraveling itself nicely... Just remember when doing the interior loom the loom that runs along the dash to take the two relays that are connected to the centre post were the head unit goes the key reader box (grey box) start from left work to the right... You will also need to trace this loom under drivers seat to passenger seat (only earth and door signal wires) you can cut this single wire and reconnect up to your existing wire no big deal if it a failure to connect as it is just a door ajar wire....
Behind the drivers seat you also need to jus disconnect that is all
And yeah no need to take the loom that runs from drivers side to radiator to fuse box they are all the same....
When taking the key barrel put key in ignition turn key to acc. Then get thin nail and look under the key barrel and you will see a tiny gold button push this in and pull key out this will remove key barrel... Also grab the plastic bits that have wires etc coming fRom it I will post up pics tomorrow to show you what you need to get...
Umm as for he accolades.... You made me blush... Cheers
Re: 4G93 into Mirage
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martian_mirage said:Hmmm thats probably a good suggestion but this 237 year old member has no idea what you just said.........forum image code?..........nope, no idea, sorry
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Re: 4G93 into Mirage
Your right side engine loom that plugs into your interior fuse box/bcm runs right around the front of the car the engine compartment fuse box inclusive. The LHS loom or enginge loom goes from the ecu to the engine which you already know.
And you are right they do join together but are only connected in a coulpe of spots one is the positive battery terminal and the other is right at the front of the engine bay fuse box iirc. There may be another plug connection there too sitting on top of the gear box somewhere, but they are seperate.
Have a look around there and youll see they seperate.
I pulled my LHS loom/engine loom through the firewall and removed the section that runs along the firewall (removed from the firewall not from the loom) and undid those connections I mentioned above to break the connection to the right sied loom and sat the whole lot on top of the motor when i removed it. All the plugs etc to the motor are still there no connections are unplugged at all.
The only thing I unplugged off the motor it self when I removed as far as elec connections go was the power steering pressure switch, A/C elec connection , O2 sensor because I left the header on and down pipe in the car and the only other electrical connection was one of the coil plugs as it was close to the lifting chain and i didn't want to damage it.
Your right side engine loom that plugs into your interior fuse box/bcm runs right around the front of the car the engine compartment fuse box inclusive. The LHS loom or enginge loom goes from the ecu to the engine which you already know.
And you are right they do join together but are only connected in a coulpe of spots one is the positive battery terminal and the other is right at the front of the engine bay fuse box iirc. There may be another plug connection there too sitting on top of the gear box somewhere, but they are seperate.
Have a look around there and youll see they seperate.
I pulled my LHS loom/engine loom through the firewall and removed the section that runs along the firewall (removed from the firewall not from the loom) and undid those connections I mentioned above to break the connection to the right sied loom and sat the whole lot on top of the motor when i removed it. All the plugs etc to the motor are still there no connections are unplugged at all.
The only thing I unplugged off the motor it self when I removed as far as elec connections go was the power steering pressure switch, A/C elec connection , O2 sensor because I left the header on and down pipe in the car and the only other electrical connection was one of the coil plugs as it was close to the lifting chain and i didn't want to damage it.
martian_mirage
New Member
Re: 4G93 into Mirage
True enough the LHS and RHS engine bay looms can be separated!, thanks :thumbup:
There was an optical illusion going on in my engine bay.
Not sure if the factory did it this way but over the gearbox my LHS & RHS engine bay looms were tightly bound together by half a mile of black electrical tape which made it look like they were seriously joined but with the tape gone I only had to unplug a connector and I could see them separating.
So as you say I have left most of the engine related connections of the LHS loom in place and will just bundle the loom on top of the motor prior to the big lift.
All of the RHS engine bay loom connectors are now undone.
I spent some time with the Gregory's bible today to figure out what some of the gadgets are under the dash.
Cheers,
Greg
True enough the LHS and RHS engine bay looms can be separated!, thanks :thumbup:
There was an optical illusion going on in my engine bay.
Not sure if the factory did it this way but over the gearbox my LHS & RHS engine bay looms were tightly bound together by half a mile of black electrical tape which made it look like they were seriously joined but with the tape gone I only had to unplug a connector and I could see them separating.
So as you say I have left most of the engine related connections of the LHS loom in place and will just bundle the loom on top of the motor prior to the big lift.
All of the RHS engine bay loom connectors are now undone.
I spent some time with the Gregory's bible today to figure out what some of the gadgets are under the dash.
Cheers,
Greg
mmc77 said:
martian_mirage
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Re: 4G93 into Mirage
Thanks, I'll use your tip next time I post a new pic to the photobucket folder :thumbup:
Thanks, I'll use your tip next time I post a new pic to the photobucket folder :thumbup:
ARC said:martian_mirage said:Hmmm thats probably a good suggestion but this 237 year old member has no idea what you just said.........forum image code?..........nope, no idea, sorry
.......mdclear said:
When you upload your pic and go to your gallery on photo bucket and move your cursor over your photo you'll get linking options appear below.
Click on the one that says Image Code and it'll automatically copy the tag and you just have to paste it into your post.
Once posted into your post, It should appear similar to this before you submit:![quote]](http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii136/twum_au/Lancer%20Mirage%20swap%202012/00012_zps143d02d1.jpg[/IMG ][/quote])
martian_mirage
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Re: 4G93 into Mirage
UPDATE.
The motor/tranny is ready to come out of the Lancer, all accessories disconnected and items I thought would get in the way (alternator,aircon,power steer) are out also.
I originally thought I needed to salvage both RHS & LHS engine bay looms so I did that but now realise I need not have bothered with the RHS one. Still I did learn a bit about the stuff jammed under the RHS dash area so whilst it was a bastard to get out the effort was not a total waste.
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UPDATE.
The motor/tranny is ready to come out of the Lancer, all accessories disconnected and items I thought would get in the way (alternator,aircon,power steer) are out also.
I originally thought I needed to salvage both RHS & LHS engine bay looms so I did that but now realise I need not have bothered with the RHS one. Still I did learn a bit about the stuff jammed under the RHS dash area so whilst it was a bastard to get out the effort was not a total waste.
Pics added to Photobucket.
Re: 4G93 into Mirage
one to many so i fixed it for you. you just paste direct from photo bucket you dont have to use the [img] on the forum code as well :thumbup:
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martian_mirage
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Re: 4G93 into Mirage
Thanks mmc77
I'm glad somebody knows what they are doing LOL :crazy:
Thanks mmc77
I'm glad somebody knows what they are doing LOL :crazy:
Re: 4G93 into Mirage
Getting some good progress there. When your ready to lift it , hook it to the crane and remove the front and rear motor mount through bolts then the right and left through bolts and lift a little.
Your going to need to tilt the engine on an angle with the front up and the gearbox down but the cross member will become a pain in the ass because it'll grab on the mounts and just be in the way, to keep it simple and easy once you have the engine up a little an supported on the crane totally remove the cross member or you can half loosen the two bolts at one end of it and drop the other end on the floor its better to just remove it all together , its easy to do and it'll will come in handy later.
Then it'll all be easy to lift out, ill take a picture of my engine sitting on the crane to show you why the cross member will come in handy, its all basic sort of stuff but the little tips help when its your first time.
Getting some good progress there. When your ready to lift it , hook it to the crane and remove the front and rear motor mount through bolts then the right and left through bolts and lift a little.
Your going to need to tilt the engine on an angle with the front up and the gearbox down but the cross member will become a pain in the ass because it'll grab on the mounts and just be in the way, to keep it simple and easy once you have the engine up a little an supported on the crane totally remove the cross member or you can half loosen the two bolts at one end of it and drop the other end on the floor its better to just remove it all together , its easy to do and it'll will come in handy later.
Then it'll all be easy to lift out, ill take a picture of my engine sitting on the crane to show you why the cross member will come in handy, its all basic sort of stuff but the little tips help when its your first time.
ABrouwer
Well-Known Member
Re: 4G93 into Mirage
Is it not possible / easier to pull it up from underneath? I had lots of fun trying to wiggle it in from the top. Be very careful not to break stuff, the amount of times I had to stop and remove something or cover something was frustrating. My advice would be remove as much stuff from the bay that you are confident you will be able to put back!
Is it not possible / easier to pull it up from underneath? I had lots of fun trying to wiggle it in from the top. Be very careful not to break stuff, the amount of times I had to stop and remove something or cover something was frustrating. My advice would be remove as much stuff from the bay that you are confident you will be able to put back!
Re: 4G93 into Mirage
because i know martian_mirage likes all the details here's a pic of my engine sitting on the cross member on the engine crane legs.
I've also put some bricks under the bracket at the front because its been sitting there for 2 weeks and just encased the crane drops but you'd be better off putting a piece of timber under the front or engine mount, mines really being held by the cross member but balanced by the crane and the bricks are there just incase .
it also gives you a stable platform if you want to to some servicing etc on the engine whilst its out. you don't have to sit it on the crane legs you could sit it on the floor or what ever.
because i know martian_mirage likes all the details here's a pic of my engine sitting on the cross member on the engine crane legs.
I've also put some bricks under the bracket at the front because its been sitting there for 2 weeks and just encased the crane drops but you'd be better off putting a piece of timber under the front or engine mount, mines really being held by the cross member but balanced by the crane and the bricks are there just incase .
it also gives you a stable platform if you want to to some servicing etc on the engine whilst its out. you don't have to sit it on the crane legs you could sit it on the floor or what ever.
martian_mirage
New Member
Re: 4G93 into Mirage
MAN YOUR RIDE IS, LIKE, TOTALLY HARD CORE!! :shock:
I totally dig the minimalist styling!
All go no show YEAH!!! :twisted:
Spec is AWESOME dude!
Steel backbone chassis with rollover protection.......
Power to weight gotta be, what? 500kw per ton??.............
Ceramic stoppers! (well, concrete, same diff :thumbup: )
NO REGO EVER!!! qualifies as mobility scooter, don't ferget yer lil orange flag or you'll scare the pedestrians in the mall....(stick that up yer kyber VICROADS!! :evil: )
A $700 WRX eater, nobody pinch me I don't wanna wake up :shock:
Only an Aussie could build that,
Legend man, TOTAL LEGEND :thumbup:
MAN YOUR RIDE IS, LIKE, TOTALLY HARD CORE!! :shock:
I totally dig the minimalist styling!
All go no show YEAH!!! :twisted:
Spec is AWESOME dude!
Steel backbone chassis with rollover protection.......
Power to weight gotta be, what? 500kw per ton??.............
Ceramic stoppers! (well, concrete, same diff :thumbup: )
NO REGO EVER!!! qualifies as mobility scooter, don't ferget yer lil orange flag or you'll scare the pedestrians in the mall....(stick that up yer kyber VICROADS!! :evil: )
A $700 WRX eater, nobody pinch me I don't wanna wake up :shock:
Only an Aussie could build that,
Legend man, TOTAL LEGEND :thumbup:
mmc77 said:because i know martian_mirage likes all the details here's a pic of my engine sitting on the cross member on the engine crane legs.
I've also put some bricks under the bracket at the front because its been sitting there for 2 weeks and just encased the crane drops but you'd be better off putting a piece of timber under the front or engine mount, mines really being held by the cross member but balanced by the crane and the bricks are there just incase .
it also gives you a stable platform if you want to to some servicing etc on the engine whilst its out. you don't have to sit it on the crane legs you could sit it on the floor or what ever.
chowetime
Active Member
Re: 4G93 into Mirage
Another way to remove the engine is you could cut the front end out of the wreck and just wheel it out?
I see that you have left the wire loom still connected to the engine - if you tilt the engine gearbox out you will pinch and possibly damage the loom... if removing the loom completely is not really an option for you at this moment can I suggest that you have the loom sitting between the intake manifold and the engine - this may mean that you have the chains on the tilt part on the crane a little longer to clear the bundle... another item to remove to help give good clearances is the oil filter - you will be surprised as to how much room that will give you.
when I have removed engines out in the past I first secure the engine to the crane -
crawl under car and unbolt rear engine mount bolt(1) from cross member and then only loosen crossmember bolts ( 2)-
remove front cross member bolt (1)
undo front cross member bolts (2)
while you have been doing this I would be making sure that the engine is not moving and staying roughly the same height
crawl back under car and remove the rear crossmember bolts
now remove both the engine and gearbox bolts - these may need a little bit of a wiggle to help come out
now that engine is 100% hanging off the crane you now tilt the gearbox end low as it can go
and now start jacking the the crane up so that the engine side has cleared the chassis rail, then keep on jacking up and leveling out so that the gearbox has cleared the other chassis rail then keep on raising the engine a bit so that it clears the front radiator support bar and that is it.
Another way to remove the engine is you could cut the front end out of the wreck and just wheel it out?
I see that you have left the wire loom still connected to the engine - if you tilt the engine gearbox out you will pinch and possibly damage the loom... if removing the loom completely is not really an option for you at this moment can I suggest that you have the loom sitting between the intake manifold and the engine - this may mean that you have the chains on the tilt part on the crane a little longer to clear the bundle... another item to remove to help give good clearances is the oil filter - you will be surprised as to how much room that will give you.
when I have removed engines out in the past I first secure the engine to the crane -
crawl under car and unbolt rear engine mount bolt(1) from cross member and then only loosen crossmember bolts ( 2)-
remove front cross member bolt (1)
undo front cross member bolts (2)
while you have been doing this I would be making sure that the engine is not moving and staying roughly the same height
crawl back under car and remove the rear crossmember bolts
now remove both the engine and gearbox bolts - these may need a little bit of a wiggle to help come out
now that engine is 100% hanging off the crane you now tilt the gearbox end low as it can go
and now start jacking the the crane up so that the engine side has cleared the chassis rail, then keep on jacking up and leveling out so that the gearbox has cleared the other chassis rail then keep on raising the engine a bit so that it clears the front radiator support bar and that is it.
martian_mirage
New Member
Re: 4G93 into Mirage
Getting some very valuable engine salvaging tips here guys, much appreciated :thumbup:
You are right I could take off the wiring loom its only another dozen connectors afterall, getting slack in my old age.
I'll pull the oil filter as you suggest. thanks
I was studying those two front and back tranny mounts on the crossmember.
I agree that they do take some of the weight of the engine/transaxle like the two main siderail situated mountings but I reckon their primary function is to counter torque.
So whilst it would be very silly to drive the car with the crossmember removed I don't think it's as dangerous as it seems to pull the crossmember entirely during a static teardown.
If a donor car had damage to one of the siderail situated mountings that would introduce an element of risk so I would take extra precautions then.
Quite true I could cut the buggered front panels and wheel the motor/tranny out of the donor but I can't do that with the unbuggered Mirage so I think I need the practice
required to remove/refit the lump.
Clearly the factory installed the lump from underneath and didn't think of us slobs at all otherwise they might have designed a few mounts differently.
Thanks guys,
Greg
Getting some very valuable engine salvaging tips here guys, much appreciated :thumbup:
You are right I could take off the wiring loom its only another dozen connectors afterall, getting slack in my old age.
I'll pull the oil filter as you suggest. thanks
I was studying those two front and back tranny mounts on the crossmember.
I agree that they do take some of the weight of the engine/transaxle like the two main siderail situated mountings but I reckon their primary function is to counter torque.
So whilst it would be very silly to drive the car with the crossmember removed I don't think it's as dangerous as it seems to pull the crossmember entirely during a static teardown.
If a donor car had damage to one of the siderail situated mountings that would introduce an element of risk so I would take extra precautions then.
Quite true I could cut the buggered front panels and wheel the motor/tranny out of the donor but I can't do that with the unbuggered Mirage so I think I need the practice
required to remove/refit the lump.
Clearly the factory installed the lump from underneath and didn't think of us slobs at all otherwise they might have designed a few mounts differently.
Thanks guys,
Greg
chowetime said:
martian_mirage
New Member
Re: 4G93 into Mirage
Actually I'm a LOT weird but they say the same thing about Earthlings back home on Mars :mrgreen:
:mrgreen:
Actually I'm a LOT weird but they say the same thing about Earthlings back home on Mars :mrgreen:
:mrgreen:
mmc77 said: