4G93 into Mirage, now 4G94 into Mirage

Re: 4G93 into Mirage

Good luck with your build :thumbup:
Feel free to share your experiences, we all love pics :)
The folks on this forum have been extremely helpful and knowledgeable with my project :D
Cheers,
Greg

Stormtrooper said:
This is a great thread, as i have just got myself a doner 1.8 Lancer to replace the 1.5 in my coupe.
Thanks for the read.
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Re: 4G93 into Mirage

I'm changing horses mid stream kinda. :)
A 2003 CH Lancer with 4G94 2 litre and 5 speed manual (writeoff) has joined the stable as a parts donor and the intention now is that my Mirage build will be a 4G94 2.0 instead of the 4G93 1.8 I had been doing.
Whilst I'm personally excited at the prospect I accept that this change of direction will bring with it more complexity and cost that the 1.8 would have.

Tried to upload a pic of the CH as it was found at the auction. Its a while since I uploaded anything to Photobucket and with a change of system I now can't get Photobucket to work, lots of other folks are saying the same thing.
Attempting to show you pic which I put on Flickr..........

http://www.flickr.com/photos/93358098@N04/8556800602/



After I got the new Lancer home my first job was to get it started and confirm all was running.
Straight away there is a glich, the car turns over but won't run.
To recap the damage to the front would have prevented the car running anyway.
If you can see the pic the radiator was toast so I hooked up a temporary radiator that would at least keep fluid in the block for the seconds I was intending to run it for after I got it started.
The battery got drop kicked, punctured and disconnected but cables were OK so I was able to get another hooked up.
Air cleaner box was shattered but rear section including maf sensor was not apparently harmed. I tied the filter in place so the motor can't suck up crap and although the setup looks really hillbilly I think it should be functional.
Last but not least the fusebox in the front LHS corner got a good kicking too. I think I was lucky though because wiring was bashed but not cut. Also the lid of the fusebox was knocked off and the big green plug in module (dunno what it does but you can see it in the pic) was hit and knocked clean out of the fusebox by the impact. In another stroke of luck it was sitting on a rubble pile that used to be the aircleaner box. It could have easily fallen on the road!. A few of the pins on this big green module were bent but I corrected them and its now plugged back in the fusebox.
I got one key with the car but no fob like I have with the CE to operate alarm/central locking. Mind you its a later model so I don't know what you get normally??
Anyway I was ready for startup.
Switched on ignition, a few dash lights, battery, handbrake and oil I think, think I heard the fuel pump, not sure there was noise going on next door.
Turned her over and it fired almost immediately, ran rough for a split second then cut out..........turned off ignition.
Turned on ignition again, all dash lights on now, a whole row of them. Turned her over, no sign of a start, no splutter, nothing.
Tried a few times and its obviously not going to fire again.
Funny it started briefly then quit???
Maybe the immobilizer knows how much I HATE them and decided to turn feral?? :evil:
On the positive side the car is a clean tidy well loved example with sensible kays and good service history so I think the bits will be in good shape ;)
 
Re: 4G93 into Mirage

It looks worse than it is under the skin but I think that helped lower the buying price (its repairable)
I think maybe they ran under the tray of a small truck. Hit at bonnet height.
No impact down low that I can see and the chassis rail took no impact at all so its radiator support and lhs skirt/inner guard that got the worst of it.

ABrouwer said:
Pretty full on damage to that CH! I guess the motors fine?
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Re: 4G93 into Mirage

I saw on that green module the letters ECU but like I said I have no idea what it does specifically. The green cover unclips and I pulled it off to examine the contents but no damage inside just a bit of scuffing on the cover so I hoped all was well.. :?:
Thanks ;)
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magnats said:
that green box is a ecu as well and so that could be the area giving you trouble.
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Re: 4G93 into Mirage

My MR wreck I have had a similar problem when I went to start it.
Turned out the coil pack on top of the motor had been caught by the bonnet when it was push up and back.
One new coil pack later and it fired up no worries. It looked ok initially but was damaged.
 
Re: 4G93 into Mirage

Thanks for the clue ;)
I just checked it visually and I don't think the bonnet hit anything on top of the motor, no sign of scuffs or scratches etc.
If the 4g93 coilpacks are the same as the 4G94 ones then I could borrow the ones off my 4G93 motor, I had that running before I pulled it out............
Cheers,
Greg

ARC said:
My MR wreck I have had a similar problem when I went to start it.
Turned out the coil pack on top of the motor had been caught by the bonnet when it was push up and back.
One new coil pack later and it fired up no worries. It looked ok initially but was damaged.
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THE BEAST ROARS!!!! :eek:
Did my best Sherlock Holmes impersonation today. :cool:
Examined every cm of wiring near the crunch zone and found a section of the wiring loom that goes under the LHS guard to be pinched by crushed body panels. Two small wires had damaged insulation and may have been shorting to ground.
Insulated both of the bared wires.
Traced one wire to the Hazzard flasher fuse which was blown!
Checked all the fuses and one of the two engine fuses was also blown!
She started first kick, YAY :D

For lovers of bush engineering.........

http://www.flickr.com/photos/93358098@N04/8559335552/in/set-72157632993115080

Thanks for your thoughts guys,
Greg
 
Re: 4G93 into Mirage

well done look at you going all mechanical on us now... so proud of your efforts. now a little tip for you when you go to install the engine into the Mirage the rear engine mount will not bolt up to the CE placement you will have to swap it over for a CE mount the CH uses 3 bolt holes the CE use only 2 this will be enough no big deal. you will be using the CE wire loom I am guessing (engine to ECU) just check pin number on the throttle body that they have the same number of wires. and same goes for the MAF sensor other than that you will be good to go
 
Re: 4G93 into Mirage

Well done you have some good deduction skills there ;)
 
Re: 4G93 into Mirage

Thanks Res ;)
I'm REALLY good at finding lost things, some people think its ESP but no, its all about deductive reasoning.
Cheers,
Greg
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Res said:
Well done you have some good deduction skills there ;)
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Re: 4G93 into Mirage

Thanks Christine,
What can I say I have an inspiring spanner wielding role model (she lives in WA ;) )
I'm noting down these tips don't worry.
Next hurdle was going to be my hated adversary, the evil immobilizer, hisss booooo :evil:
I know the CH uses a different type immobilizer to the CE so naturally I can't just plug the CH immobilizer into the CE loom (unless there is an insanely easy fix for this).
You were saying a while back that you got a chap in the US to flash your ECU and whilst he was at it he disabled your immobilizer followed by pin swapping that apparently worked.
I was going to investigate this option if you think it will work with my CH ECU which I found today.
Apparently some folks have located US market non immobilized ECU's but I have searched until I'm crosseyed and of the hundreds of ECU's on sale on Ebay USA/Canada I saw only two that were said to work on a manual, 4G15 and 4G69.
The CH Lancer apparently was not a good seller in the US because there are less for sale than bloody Edsels!
Top marks to Mitsubishi BTW for putting the CH ECU where a person without double joints and a gold medal in gymnastics can actually get to it! :thumbup:
Yes I was planning to use the LHS engine bay loom salvaged from the 4G93 coupe in this build also.
Cheers,
Greg


chowetime said:
well done look at you going all mechanical on us now... so proud of your efforts. now a little tip for you when you go to install the engine into the Mirage the rear engine mount will not bolt up to the CE placement you will have to swap it over for a CE mount the CH uses 3 bolt holes the CE use only 2 this will be enough no big deal. you will be using the CE wire loom I am guessing (engine to ECU) just check pin number on the throttle body that they have the same number of wires. and same goes for the MAF sensor other than that you will be good to go
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Contacted Dave of DSTuning in the states, Auslancer member 5gMirage97, about buying a non immobilized aussie spec 4G93 ECU that he is modding to run a stock 4G94.
Learned that buying a US spec ECU will mean swapping of ECU pins but apparently if I use an Aussie spec ECU no pin swapping is necessary.
Anyway the replacement ECU should be here in a fortnight so when it gets here I'll slip it into the CH and see if it works OK.
I'd like to ask a really dumb question(electronics are REALLY not my thing) but I imagine I need to unplug the CH immobilizer/key reader before attempting this start test?
Similarly when all the 4G94 gear is fitted into my CE Mirage I guess I will not be needing a CE type immobilizer ECU fitted at all?
Cheers,
Greg
 
Checked out the engine electricals on my 4G94 compared to the 4G93 and how the 4G93 engine loom mates up to the 4G94 engine.
I think the Maf sensor is the same on 93 and 94, plugs look the same.
94 inlet manifold has a couple of extra gadgets not on the 93 and I don't know what they do. EGR ???
First one is electrical, screwed to plenum near injector 2. Hoses join this item to tubes E and A on top of throttle body.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/93358098@N04/8581095871/in/set-72157632993115080

Second mystery item on 94 inlet is pressure regulator? linked by hose to E tube on throttle body.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/93358098@N04/8581090553/in/set-72157632993115080

93 inlet is missing this "regulator" just a blanked plate

http://www.flickr.com/photos/93358098@N04/8581116531/in/set-72157632993115080

These two items are absent on 4G93 inlet manifold
Plug on throttle body TPS is different on 93 and 94 though both have 3 wires. 93 has black,green and green/white. 94 has black, green and pale grey.
Throttle body on 94 has three pressure hoses up top labelled P, E and A.
Throttle body on 93 has only one pressure hose utilised P.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/93358098@N04/8582206124/in/set-72157632993115080

http://www.flickr.com/photos/93358098@N04/8582206124/in/set-72157632993115080


Read through threads on other 4G94 into CE swaps and they used 4G92 or 4G93 inlet manifolds on 4G94 motor but I was unsure why?????
Maybe I should be using the 4G93 inlet so as to avoid the mystery items and the plug mismatches??
I see the injectors are a different colour so I guess that could mean running 4G94 injectors on the 93 inlet??
Only other mismatch to report so far is the oxygen sensor on the 94 is not near the front of the motor as it is on the 93 but I don't know yet what I'll be doing exhaust system wise. The back end of the Mirage system is not big enough even for a stock 4G94.
Cheers,
Greg
 
All that writing makes my head hurt, makes the conversion look complicated, the weird thing on the side of the intake is the egr which the 94 uses, the 93 has a blanking plate in place. The conversion is quite simple from 93-94 with minor swap overs between the two engine, you can even use the 93 ecu with the 94 (what i'm doing). I've written the parts list out on this forum before if you search 4g94 conversion you mat find it all.
 
Ongoing research with the 4G94 swap.
Read 3 dozen pages yesterday including your thread so we both understand head pain :cry:
Thanks for ID on mystery device and comment 4g93 ECU :thumbup:
Question:
"What do you get when you ask 10 experts for a parts list on a 4G94 swap???"
Answer:
"Ten different parts lists."
People have different priorities and whilst some may agree some of the time one size does not fit all.


matty said:
All that writing makes my head hurt, makes the conversion look complicated, the weird thing on the side of the intake is the egr which the 94 uses, the 93 has a blanking plate in place. The conversion is quite simple from 93-94 with minor swap overs between the two engine, you can even use the 93 ecu with the 94 (what i'm doing). I've written the parts list out on this forum before if you search 4g94 conversion you mat find it all.
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Youve come along way man from wanting to get a shop to do your swap to now having got yourself two engine conversion options and doing it all your self. Iam liking the DIY attitude man keep up the good work.
Your right about people all having dif opinions, matty would be the man imo as hes the most recent to do the 94 and he didnt pay lolracing to do it either.
Theres more then one way to skin a cat as they say and I think the dif of opinion from one person to the next comes from as the more a conversion is done more tricks and dif ways of doing it come to light which is obv a good thing.
I found some different ways of doing certain things on my 93 swap even though it would be the simplest swap ,although its been done heaps of times by heaps of different people, theres 50 different way of doing it.
Weve all seen the guy in the states that converted his 93 to run the 1.5 dizzy so he could run full 1.5 wiring/ecu, now that seems absurd these days but at the time he was prob at the at pointed end of the sic ideas department.
You might find something doing your swap or a trick that makes it that much easier for the next guy or girl in the chain if you get what iam saying.
 
Thanks fella ;)
Any of these projects is a Perspiration/Inspiration *wally*tail.
Whilst I am supplying much of the Perspiration NEARLY ALL of the INSPIRATION (read knowhow) has been supplied by a helpful handful of experienced and talented Auslancer members like yourself!
My early attempts to buy my way into a big engined Mirage was down to a tragic lack of time and knowhow which still exists.
The time I have to steal from other projects may yet come back to bite me where it hurts but we'll see.
In the meantime please don't underestimate the contibution you guys are making to my build nor my appreciation for the ongoing tips that keep it from stalling.
We have all seen those sad adverts "Unfinished Project, Regretful Sale, all offers considered"
The ONLY difference between those sad ads and my situation is that I have access to a bunch of skilled Mitsubishi gurus who have been generous enough to share their hard won knowledge, the sad people didn't.
Mucho Apprecionardo :thumbup:
Greg

mmc77 said:
Youve come along way man from wanting to get a shop to do your swap to now having got yourself two engine conversion options and doing it all your self. Iam liking the DIY attitude man keep up the good work.
Your right about people all having dif opinions, matty would be the man imo as hes the most recent to do the 94 and he didnt pay lolracing to do it either.
Theres more then one way to skin a cat as they say and I think the dif of opinion from one person to the next comes from as the more a conversion is done more tricks and dif ways of doing it come to light which is obv a good thing.
I found some different ways of doing certain things on my 93 swap even though it would be the simplest swap ,although its been done heaps of times by heaps of different people, theres 50 different way of doing it.
Weve all seen the guy in the states that converted his 93 to run the 1.5 dizzy so he could run full 1.5 wiring/ecu, now that seems absurd these days but at the time he was prob at the at pointed end of the sic ideas department.
You might find something doing your swap or a trick that makes it that much easier for the next guy or girl in the chain if you get what iam saying.
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Simple parts list not sure if you found this on here or not but it's here again. I'm a lazy person by nature but like to do things properly and not dodge things up, if it helps out that's great it'sup to you.

4G94 block and head
4G93 inlet manifold (bored to match throttle body)
4G93 camshaft and cam angle sensor
4G93 crank angle sensor and bottom cover
4G94 throttle body (if your's is currently a 3 wire TPS NOT IF IT'S A 4 WIRE!!!)
4G94 injectors
4G93 sump and oil pick up (if you want your exhaust to fit)
4G93 drivers side engine mount (you can use the 4G94 alloy one as long as you get the threads out and swap them over)
4G94 power steering pump and bracket
 
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