CH Lancer Evo 8/9 Turbo Build 4G69T

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okay well now im getting an alright income (for a supermarket :lol:) im probally gonna go ahead with a turbo project. im more than likly going to buy an ebay kit just to start off. and an evo 7-9 downpipe,

now i would have started this alot sooner but i cant find 1 single turbo manifold for my engine :( (4G69 Mivec SOHC 2.4L)
so im thinking buying an evo 7-9 manifold and cutting the flange off and have one made to fit my engine and then have it welded up properly.

the next problem. how exactly does the turbo connect to the down pipe?

This is when we need MLGA.. :roll:
 
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XxOLIVERxX said:
okay well now im getting an alright income (for a supermarket :lol:) im probally gonna go ahead with a turbo project. im more than likly going to buy an ebay kit just to start off. and an evo 7-9 downpipe,

now i would have started this alot sooner but i cant find 1 single turbo manifold for my engine :( (4G69 Mivec SOHC 2.4L)
so im thinking buying an evo 7-9 manifold and cutting the flange off and have one made to fit my engine and then have it welded up properly.

the next problem. how exactly does the turbo connect to the down pipe?

This is when we need MLGA.. :roll:

you sure your up for this job?

exhaust manifold->turbo->dump pipe


do 4g64/69 share the same extractors? if so, any evo 7-9 manifold should bolt on.
what computer will you be using?
 
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Have you considered looking at RPW? They are firstly in Perth and they have done this conversion with great success.
 
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yes i looked at RPW and pretty much i cant afford to go that way.. and its going to be a father and son project as my dad has built up engines b4, but has only basic knowledge of turbo set-ups

and paulie, i know that. just not too sure about "o2 housings" and just need someone to clear that up. :)
Recently RPW have been able to reflash the stock ecu and "hackish" has developed a turbo tune for this model. once i have the rest of the parts il look further into engine management

just making sure i can get all the hardware first because there's very little parts for the 2.4L
 
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when do you come off your ps again? i know its probably been asked a lot
 
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lol u can drive anything u want on L's and P's in WA. no matter if its a Lamborghini or a Charade :lol:
 
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OKAY! well iv been doin alot of research today, and i have decided im going to do this:
T3/T4 turbo kit: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T3-T...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item564092f828
Cast turbo manifold(only one i can find):http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MITS...r_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c58e7b3db
stainless o2 Housing - for an eclipse (5 bolt T3 flange) :http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Turb...ptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
new fuel pump
bigger injectors around 440cc (probs wrx ones)
reflashed ECU from RPW or Hackish Reflash. if not some sort of piggy back unit
evo 7-9 downpipe 2.5" preferred (3" is abit too big..)

feel free to add anything to the list or give your opinions :)
 
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Advice?

Cheap, Fast, Reliable.

Pick two, and only two.
 
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To be honest, if you cant afford the parts from RPW, RRM or even getting henry to mod one up, are you going to be able to afford to replace the engine if/when this blows. Don't get me wrong, I'd love nothing more than to see this happen, but there's a lot more to building a good turbo setup then buying some cheap ebay parts and bolting them all on. There's a ralliart colt build on low4sho you should check out, everything done right with a heap of money spent, and one hose that the tuner fukd up blew the *poo* out of the engine.
 
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BI65ND said:
To be honest, if you cant afford the parts from RPW, RRM or even getting henry to mod one up, are you going to be able to afford to replace the engine when this blows.


When I considered doing this from the start, I found a very useful piece from RPW on the 4g94 : http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.ph...icle-performance-modification-guide&Itemid=93

You can skip most of it, but the same basic lines are followed with most engines I would believe, but at the bottom it states:
4. Turbocharger Conversion Package

What more can we say other than your a horsepower and boost Junkie. Welcome to the rest of the world. This combines extreme levels of torque and power, with neck snapping acceleration. It comes at a cost though, increased fuel economy, higher insurance and lots of money. But lets get something clear first.

1. Anyone believing they can effectively fit a turbo kit on there car saftely, properly and legally for under $5000.00 AUD$ is just plain dreaming.
2. These engines in stock form will not handle above 1 PSI boost without aftermarket computer management despite what people believe. 25 : 1 rising rate fuel pressure regulators, larger injectors, piggy back ECU's like Apexi, Greddy etc all these tricks - none work. Don't skimp.
3. 5th Injector systems are something that came and died in the 80's. Quite simply this does not distribute fuel properly to all cylinders, and still does not provide ignition timing adjustment

Do the job properly and although it may cost more, it will last longer, provide trouble free maintenance and be everything you want it to be.

1. For boost levels up to 10 psi can be done saftley on the stock head gasket dependent upon tuning and intercooler efficiency.
2. For boost levels up to 14 psi requires an upgraded decompression head gasket which RPW manufactures.
3. Do not boost above 14 psi on the stock piston / conrod setup otherwise you will learn what a banana conrod looks like.

The 4G94 SOHC engine at around 13 psi is good for around 200kw at the flywheel at the extreme. With forged components you can go up to as high as 250kw reasonably at around 20 psi boost as a good starting point.

Our final advice - if 200kw is not enough for you - the finish reading this page, and instead either look for another car or look to do a engine swap to a larger Mitsubishi engine.

Average price of a turbo kit fitted, installed with a FMIC and Haltech ECU System is around $8500 - $9000.00

a) Have fun with <10psi of boost, you'll blow your head not to long after install. And you wouldn't be able to run that at full 10psi. Seeming the 4g69 wouldn't be a turbo designed engine
b) Reflash really is only for minor mods (eg. CAI, Full Exhaust, Bigger TB, etc, not turbo/charged/new engine)
c) @ 13psi your getting 200kw (not just from the turbo from all of the upgrades [cams, exhaust, cai, tb]), then thats at the flywheel so you'll have less power atw
d)The Price for a decent kit, 9k? say take 1k off if your doing it, 8k?

I went through all I'd need to do, to make sure the engine wouldn't blow it's self to pieces, I came out with roughly 20k for a proper, PROPER job.
And then after all of that, you need to go get it engineered for it to be street legal. If you only do the turbo, you'll be sent back with a big list of things to do that your bog stock parts won't handle with the extra power, in the end companies are there to make money no? so they only supply you with the parts needed to make the car safe with the power and weight on board. IMO if you truely love the shape, feel, etc of the CH ES, then do it, otherwise do what I'm doing now, save, do small things, maybe just rice a little, enjoy the car not turbo'd while on your P's (i'm sure the last thing you parents would like to see their son in an over powered car go straight into a tree) and then with your savings buy an already turbo'd car, which will already have the strength to take a turbo and upgrade the turbo.

/2c
 
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skippy said:
BI65ND said:
To be honest, if you cant afford the parts from RPW, RRM or even getting henry to mod one up, are you going to be able to afford to replace the engine when this blows.


When I considered doing this from the start, I found a very useful piece from RPW on the 4g94 : http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.ph...icle-performance-modification-guide&Itemid=93

You can skip most of it, but the same basic lines are followed with most engines I would believe, but at the bottom it states:
4. Turbocharger Conversion Package

What more can we say other than your a horsepower and boost Junkie. Welcome to the rest of the world. This combines extreme levels of torque and power, with neck snapping acceleration. It comes at a cost though, increased fuel economy, higher insurance and lots of money. But lets get something clear first.

1. Anyone believing they can effectively fit a turbo kit on there car saftely, properly and legally for under $5000.00 AUD$ is just plain dreaming.
2. These engines in stock form will not handle above 1 PSI boost without aftermarket computer management despite what people believe. that is bullshit. check out "hackish lancer ralliart turbo" that running a stock ecu on 7psi fine! 25 : 1 rising rate fuel pressure regulators, larger injectors, piggy back ECU's like Apexi, Greddy etc all these tricks - none work. Don't skimp. this is also crap, pretty much all turbo set ups are like this and there all running fine.
3. 5th Injector systems are something that came and died in the 80's. Quite simply this does not distribute fuel properly to all cylinders, and still does not provide ignition timing adjustment

Do the job properly and although it may cost more, it will last longer, provide trouble free maintenance and be everything you want it to be.

1. For boost levels up to 10 psi can be done saftley on the stock head gasket dependent upon tuning and intercooler efficiency.
2. For boost levels up to 14 psi requires an upgraded decompression head gasket which RPW manufactures.
3. Do not boost above 14 psi on the stock piston / conrod setup otherwise you will learn what a banana conrod looks like.

The 4G94 SOHC engine at around 13 psi is good for around 200kw at the flywheel at the extreme. With forged components you can go up to as high as 250kw reasonably at around 20 psi boost as a good starting point.

Our final advice - if 200kw is not enough for you - the finish reading this page, and instead either look for another car or look to do a engine swap to a larger Mitsubishi engine.

Average price of a turbo kit fitted, installed with a FMIC and Haltech ECU System is around $8500 - $9000.00


a) Have fun with <10psi of boost, you'll blow your head not to long after install. And you wouldn't be able to run that at full 10psi. Seeming the 4g69 wouldn't be a turbo designed engine
b) Reflash really is only for minor mods (eg. CAI, Full Exhaust, Bigger TB, etc, not turbo/charged/new engine)
c) @ 13psi your getting 200kw (not just from the turbo from all of the upgrades [cams, exhaust, cai, tb]), then thats at the flywheel so you'll have less power atw
d)The Price for a decent kit, 9k? say take 1k off if your doing it, 8k?

I went through all I'd need to do, to make sure the engine wouldn't blow it's self to pieces, I came out with roughly 20k for a proper, PROPER job.
And then after all of that, you need to go get it engineered for it to be street legal. If you only do the turbo, you'll be sent back with a big list of things to do that your bog stock parts won't handle with the extra power, in the end companies are there to make money no? so they only supply you with the parts needed to make the car safe with the power and weight on board. IMO if you truely love the shape, feel, etc of the CH ES, then do it, otherwise do what I'm doing now, save, do small things, maybe just rice a little, enjoy the car not turbo'd while on your P's (i'm sure the last thing you parents would like to see their son in an over powered car go straight into a tree) and then with your savings buy an already turbo'd car, which will already have the strength to take a turbo and upgrade the turbo.
i have already be researching this, bascally this car cost me 5K and its worth at least 13K at the end of the day i can dump alot of money into it and still get a decent return, i considered selling up for a 180sx/silvia but parents wont let me as there "too old" and unsafe cuz no safety features and most of them have been thrashed , dad says he would much rather help me turbo this than go down that dangerous route..
/2c


and heres the info for my engine -
Do the job properly and although it may cost more, it will last longer, provide trouble free maintenance and be everything you want it to be.

1. For boost levels up to 12 psi can be done saftley on the stock head gasket dependant upon tuning and intercooler efficiency.
2. For boost levels up to 16 psi requires an upgraded decompression head gasket which RPW manafactures.
3. Do not boost above 18psi on the stock piston / conrod setup otherwise you will learn what a banana conrod looks like.

The 4G69 SOHC engine at around 10 psi is good for around 220kw at the flywheel. With forged components you can go up to as high as 300kw reasonably at around 18psi boost.
 
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I can't watch videos due to my net where I am. (AKA the middle of no-where)

But, if you'd rather go that path then do it. I'm just saying it may end being a whole much more expensive then 13k, and if something does go wrong (eg. blown head etc) you're not gonna get that money back if you try and sell it. Just looked up and yes on Redbook, your car is valued at max 12.1k to 10k, which is 3k more then mine. In the end it is your choice, if you save the money your spend on turboing, sell the car (but keep wheels cuz they're *woo-hoo*, and maybe kit also *woo-hoo*), you could have 20k, which is the price of some decent (but not heavily modded) s15, r33/4, evo6/7/8. And if you do do it, let me know how the eBay parts go. (don't forget engineering cert etc. brakes + susp will need doing if they feel there is too much go)
 
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okay question for the turbo guys: running a t3/t4 turbo at 8-10 psi what size downpipe and exhaust system should i use?
right now im running a 2.25" cannon cat back system but obviously thats too small, so it will have to go.
the turbo o2 outlet pipe will be 2.5" but i can only find 3" or 2.75" evo downpipes..
 
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not really since it will have an rb25 with internals already built to stand forced induction

i havnt seen one post in here with you guys talking internals. tch tch...
 
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RPW said:
1. For boost levels up to 12 psi can be done saftley on the stock head gasket dependant upon tuning and intercooler efficiency.
2. For boost levels up to 16 psi requires an upgraded decompression head gasket which RPW manafactures.
3. Do not boost above 18psi on the stock piston / conrod setup otherwise you will learn what a banana conrod looks like.

The 4G69 SOHC engine at around 10 psi is good for around 220kw at the flywheel. With forged components you can go up to as high as 300kw reasonably at around 18psi boost.
 
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