How do u wash your car?

Wow, you use a Rupes 21mm throw machine, you really must have a lot of fun doing those tight round corners and panel contours and getting in close to the trims on customers cars with your 21mm throw bigfoot machine!

The 21mm throw is good machine but at the end of the day its designed for speed on large panels like car bonnet/roof/boot, and by its very action will not burn the paint, and it’s a good polisher for a young inexperienced car detailer starting off rather than having him learn on a rotary polisher at the customers expense, but its nowhere near as quick as a rotary polisher, which in the hands of someone who has many years of experience of painting and detailing cars, rotary wins hands down every time for speed on those panels.

Most of the top car detailers around the world use a Rotary Polisher or a 21mm throw orbital to cut and then they will finish the paint to perfection with an 8mm RO polisher to remove any holograms or swirls and to achieve a excellent level of gloss and depth in the paint before applying the next 2 or 3 step applications, the 12mm and 15mm RO polishers are also good, we use those as well, but they are more used more for detailing rather than panel shop cutting/polishing.

I have used the panel shops 12mm / 15mm RO polisher’s lots of times on different car’s side panels, but i also like to use the variable speed rotary to cut larger panels then finish where necessary with a 650watt 8mm RO....... :blush: .......

Haha we have smaller throw machines too, just in general they are heaps fun to use. Light, no vibration too. We use rotaries if we have to for certain panels if they are smaller, i.e under spoilers or where we have limited room and dont have the ability to let it throw incase it hits something. I was only saying for the most part we use the 21mm for most panelwork until we get to points where we need a smaller machine with a smaller throw or even to a rotary, we have this small air compressor powered ones which are heaps fun, cant remember which brand though.

And Hugh, are they using Gtech products to wash with etc? Because most of their stuff is designed to slightly reapply while its being washed etc
 
We if we wash them we do / we give them a care kit. But outside of us I have no idea. But even the customers who use us solely and won't even let the people from dealerships wash it, I'm still unimpressed. Like there are cars in much better condition who get waxs regularly.
 
Easy man! We did donkis before last year, looked a million bucks - as much as his could. It had a less than perfect respray on one side. It still looks A+ now though.
 
All this wash talk makes my car want a nice do over.. ive never had it detailed since ive bought it.
 
Get your bonnet fixed and then we'll have a bonanza day of EOYM fix ups
 
heh. well i wont be attending EOYM atleast this year. But i will hopefully not require jdm bandaids on my bonnet soon
 
Oh right right, even so. Get that fixed / changed and then we can have a
Go at getting it Purdey :)
 
Plenty of information here
http://www.detailparadise.com.au/showthread.php?8410-Safely-Washing-amp-Drying-Your-Car

For the DIYers willing to have a go with products that aren't from Supercheap / Repco these places are worth looking at:
http://detailcentral.com.au/ (I've picked up some of the angelwax gear & HD gear which i believe is pretty good and not too badly priced)
https://www.waxit.com.au/
https://www.carcareproducts.com.au/products
https://www.zas.com.au/ (I haven't purchased anything from these guys yet but they do have a wide range)

Also if you are keen to pick up a snow foam sprayer Supercheap Auto have
http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/on...-Foam-Sprayer.aspx?pid=370467#Recommendations even better price when they have 20% off hehe which is when I pulled the trigger on it.

All I had to do was change the attachment part to suit my Karcher. Ended up being way cheaper than the others available and seems to work the same.

Have any of you in the detailing world used Kamikaze Over Coat? If so what are your opinions on it?
 
I've heard good things about kamikaze, not sure on how easy it is to apply or anything but one of my regulars has it on his show car Mustang. I only clean his daily and weekender.
 
Introducing the latest and greatest and ridiculously overpriced paint protection sealer pack, it’s called the "old faux patina nano-diamond coat ", by a specialist application only and guaranteed to last way less than a few mths of your 5 year guarantee, especially if you try and wash it yourself without using our special car wash shampoo (at nominal cost $$ to you of course)....which seriously is really a neutral ph shampoo (similar to Johnson’s baby neutral ph shampoo) in disguise, after all we don’t want you to wash off our super hardened nano paint protection coating after the first few washes with some over spirited rubbing/washing !!

In order to keep your 5 yr. guarantee, you must also take our 3/6 mth “touch up booster treatment” which is really a re-application process in disguise........(also provided as an additional nominal cost $$$ to you)......to keep your treatment in peak condition !!... sigh.......

Available to the general public and sold by dealers when you purchase your new car who would love to sell you our special “paint protection pack” , just ask one of our protection pack specialist, usually a nubile young leggy sales girls with the best almost exposed breasts you will ever see today who will happily take your money $$$$ for this and other useless protection packs.

Anyway with this paint protection I think the trick must be in their application, possibly a lot of work involved, i think???, but maybe you could achieve a startling similar result at home by lightly sand blasting your vehicle and parking it at the end of a pier/beachside for 6 months to achieve similar results as pictured below:


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Guess they didn’t buy the “special shampoo” as directed??

Yes, of the many so called sealer‘s currently on the market, occasionally you will find one that actually does what it is claimed to do without all the hype of endless guarantees/follow up re- treatments, kamikaze appears to be one of those products that actually does what it claims mths after initial treatment.

Ok seriously, back to your question about Kamikaze Over Coat.

At our old custom paint/panel shop my old mate has over the years tested, and is currently beta testing a New Range of sealers, it’s ongoing as new products in Australia and Worldwide are being produced faster than they can be tested anyway. I have seen quite a few of the “results” weeks/month after application and remain unimpressed by most, not yet 100% convinced that these sealers are much better than a top quality wax applied/ reapplied as required, versus initial cost treatment.

On the subject of Kamikaze Over Coat, he has tried this product on one of his personal cars and i must say i was more than impressed with the results, after 3 mths it looks as good as the first day with continuing excellent hydrophobic properties and protection.

Application was easy, using its bottle spray applicator, gives you a really fine mist. Spray it close to surface when applying, don’t try and apply on even a slightly windy day otherwise your product will simply blow away, so indoor application mostly and on a average temp day (hopefully at least try and stay above 26 Celsius) as well.

Product went on nicely, spread quite evenly with medium microfiber, its also capable of filling/covering up light defects as well.

No real hard buffing needed after application as it can leave high spots if overdone, he said the high spots can easily buff out but he found it can be harder to remove if left overnight.

After it was applied it looked like any other freshly waxed car, i was expecting to see a lot more bedazzlement for the price, it was good but cynical me thought typical, no big deal, same ole same ole, was slightly disappointed.


When we looked at the car the following afternoon it looked amazing, like it had a 3D glass gloss look or something, truly dazzling. Checked instructions on various websites (you know the application instructions we never read before we use a similar product!) and they say it apparently takes 16-24hrs to properly harden/dry to a real brilliant gloss finish, which gives you in a sense a deep gloss “Sacrificial layer” above your paint’s top coat.

If that is not enough as bonus this stuff can be used on Glass / paint / plastic trim and on your cars rims as well!

I will remain open minded on the sealers out there, i have been doing this for over 35 yrs and have seen them all come and go (mostly go), still prefer a good quality wax like Hugh-CE said in previous thread, with reapplications as required. But with regards to Kamikaze Over Coat, it remains one of the very few that ,and i hate to say this, from an old school detailer/painter that this stuff actually does seem to do what it claims, only more time will tell, but almost 3 mths on, it’s still looking as good as the first application.
 
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Oh man, I'm dead. That rant is exactly what I think about it all!!!! Well spoken my friend.
#waxtillwedie

Good to know kamikaze could potentially lay claim to what it sprukes. What do people pay for that?
 
Yes, i agree Hugh-CE, thats what i think about all the hype as well.
The product itself sells normally around $65-$95, average price seems to be around the $65 Trade -$75 + retail . Not bad really considering it actually works! , they say it last for 3-6mths, so far over 3mths and still looks as good as day 1!
 
Oh so it's a 3-6month only, that's pretty good. Might have to source some
 
After looking at Kamikazi Over Coat video. Zaino 2 Pro at less than half the price delivers, beads much much better!!! Tiny beads, Glass appearance, Glass feel.
 
But does it last for 3 months atleast? No point at being less then half the price if its gonna last a month.

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But does it last for 3 months at least? No point at being less then half the price if its gonna last a month.

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It claims 3 to 4 months, will let you know and include photo. Still the same after one, self use commercial high pressure wash, plus washes at home with bucket and hose.
First and only application so far carried out 14th May, 2 months + ago
 
I think the sealant would be better for those who don't garage the car. Being a 'thicker' substance will aid in Protecting better against bird poo and sap or acid rain effects. I'm not sure you can even remotely claim to see what's Shinier without seeing the cars side by side in the same light as photography is always tricky or could even be underdone.

Good to hear you've found a product you like though. That's what's really most important
 
Totally agree with last post above, (water beads much better with Zaino2 Pro) HUH? Looking at a video of one product on you tube and comparing it to another product on your car is of no real consequence in comparison, to many variables, let’s face it.

Man, this post just refuses to die a natural death, its the gift that keeps on giving.

There would easy be way more than 300+ sealers/coatings comparable to Kamikazi Over Coat and Zaino 2 Pro out there around the world which would lay claim to being just as good, a lot of them probably are. If you personally tried to test at least 1/10th of these than you would still be going in 5-10 yrs time, all of these come at varying prices from $30 to $$$ whatever the hell they want to charge you, to justify their extraordinary claims.

Seriously the only difference between a paint sealant/ceramic coats and a top class canaubra wax is the duration of the protection it offers utilizing a sacrificial layer or coat to achieve protection/gloss.

If your keen why not use the best of all the worlds above and use a combination of coatings/ sealers / and or topcoat wax?

I’m considering using a combination of sealer and wax to see how that fans out in the near future when i get the time.

I personally prefer to have a good Brazilian wax! Yes a top class canaubra wax that is, as i enjoy reapplying it regularly as needed as it gives me the opportunity to have a regular close up inspection on paint/possible marks/stone chips/ general car condition that may need touching up or items attending to, a hands on regular approach if you like, rather than the set and forget approach that sealers/coats offer, depending again on how much of an enthusiast you are, or if you are just time poor/lazy/too busy and want something that you don’t need to worry about for mths on end.

Duration / protection depend on many factors, a few are listed below:

· Base paint condition/preparation prior to application?

· Who/what applied it?

· Correct application process followed?

· Garage, is your car spending time pampered in a sheltered garage or is it outside with the elements most days?

· What weather conditions do you drive in or left outside in?

· Distance/Frequency you drive this car?

· Cleaning, how often do you clean your car and what type of car wash do you use and washing method you use?

· Cars Colour can even give varying results and dark colours like navy blues/blacks/metallic’s even have dedicated waxes/sealers tailored for them.

I'm glad you found Zaino 2 Pro works well for your needs, great stuff. Like I said Kamikazi OverCoat works great 2+ mths on as well, also great. If you find a product that you like and it seems to do the job than stick with it.

There will always be better products/treatments coming on the market at various prices, so much so that you will never be able to keep up, but at least we now know that here are two products that seem to do the job!

Here below is a link to an interesting read, don’t necessary agree with the timeframes they state in the article, but principle seems sound.

https://www.adamspolishes.com.au/tips-techniques/paint-coating-vs-sealant-vs-wax/
 
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