[CE] 4G15 -> 4G93/4

Skippy

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Hi guys,

I've been entertaining the idea of using the CH to fund a CE conversion from the 4G15 to the 4G94.

Now I know that the 4G93-94 conversion is pretty straight forward, but in terms of 4G15 to 4G94 what are going to be the issues that I run into? I know that the loom and ecu will have to be transplanted, but in terms of AC, power steering, all of the crap am I going to have to move the CH's gear into the CE or will I be able to get away with the 4g15's gear in that sense.

Also would it be an easy enough job to do the swap myself or should I recruit the help of a professional?

Another issue is, how will the CH loom go in the 15's engine bay? From understanding the 93's loom is PnP, though i'm not sure about the 94's seeming you use the 93's loom in a 94 conversion?

Thanks in advance, I pick up a 4g15 lancer in about 2weeks.
 
well if its not ur daily drive atleast u'll have plenty of time to figure it all out

i recon try for a diy job, just get heaps of info from people as u get to each stage
 
Res said:
well if its not ur daily drive atleast u'll have plenty of time to figure it all out
i recon try for a diy job, just get heaps of info from people as u get to each stage

Thing is that my daily will be off the road cause it'll be the source for all parts.
 
no i mean before that, get everything organised and worked out before u pull them off the road

i think have a look for a 4g15>93 conversion, follow that with ur 94 and u will be right
both very similar engines, just need the 93 drivers side mount and the full loom

and hopefully driveshafts go okay
im sure somone in WA with the knowhow can help u out, after all thats what forum communities are for
 
Mate grow a pair and do it! it seems daunting but a mitsi to mitsi swap is normally pretty easy. Also both types are wrecked frequently so you arnt going to run into any nasties.

I'm also here to give you a hand, im not pro, but i can help you out.....i have a new brand new 4g93 clutch which u could have at a bargain, as well as additional helpful tools you may not have.
 
d3x said:
Mate grow a pair and do it! it seems daunting but a mitsi to mitsi swap is normally pretty easy. Also both types are wrecked frequently so you arnt going to run into any nasties.

I'm also here to give you a hand, im not pro, but i can help you out.....i have a new brand new 4g93 clutch which u could have at a bargain, as well as additional helpful tools you may not have.

Well if I buy the 4g15 i'll extensively need your help... Especially since the whole loom needs to be chopped and spliced into the oem mitsu interior loom
 
you should be able to pick up a 1.8 for much the same price as a 1.5. that way you can keep the loom and bolt ons
 
ok will give you a few hints - if you can get the G93 get it it will be cheaper in the long run and less complicated...

Yes you use the 4G93 looms not the 4G94 and you use the 4G93 ecu

Reason for getting the G93 is that the connecting hoses for the air cond and power steer and brakes are all the same (meaning fittings) the rear engine gear box mount is different the G94 uses a 3 bolt bracket which will not fit onto the brace frame under the car (sorry cant rememebr the name) so you will have to use the 4G93 bracket and 2 holes is still very strong...

You will also have to change the Crank sensor as the plugs are different and will not connect up and you can not just cut off and slice the new one on it does not work as well

You would also probably want to change out the intake manifold (Do a port match) and the camshaft the 4G94 T/B is bigger than the 4G93...

and that is really all there is to it I cant think of any of the other things that popped up when we did it... grab a fuel pressure reg to add a little extra fuel but you will already have the bigger injectors anyway

So things to buy -
lightened under crank pulley
new belts
adjustable cam gear?
cam shaft
RFPR

using the 4G15 you do need to swap out a whole lot more stuff plus new exhaust will probably add an extra day to the job and a few extra $$$$

Look for a car that has a buggered engine you should be able to pick one up very cheap and still licensed I have picked them up for less than $700.
 
Ok few questions.

Why am I using the 4g93 ECU instead of the 4g94? Is this so that all the accessories and that still work in the car and the cluster works?

The crank sensor, is this the actual crank sensor or the cam sensor, because I know when i swap the cam over I had to swap that over anyway.

Gearbox wise, will this mean I have to use a 4g93 box or can I use my 4g94 box but change over the bracket on it to make it fit the 2 holes instead?

93 mani/cam etc was a given...

Exhaust, will the 94's exhaust work or do I have to use the 93's? from my understanding due to the longer block im going to have clearance and bolting up issues with either?


Also with using a 4g15, it seems pretty straight forward from a link tron gave me, though as said above, the issue would be splicing in a 4g94 loom, so thought instead use the 93 loom which will be PnP... but if i need ecu as well as other parts from the 93 then looks like it'll be easy from the get-go to buy a 4g93 standard...


You say you get em cheap and licensed, where have you sourced yours, im having issues finding a 4g15 licensed! I've trawled gumtree that many times in the last 3days.
 
I'm going to quote this next link since I know a few people have problems with MPF: http://www.mirageforums.net/posting.php ... 3&p=697578


EVOproject6 said:
I have aquired some good information, granted the information i will share is not new, hidden or secret but at least you will have the chance to have all the information i needed to complete this swap without having to go elsewhere, i.e. searching the forums for days.

first piece of information is:
Mirages from the following years have 2 separate ecu's one controlling the engine and the other the transmission: 1997-1999.
therefore the wire harness on these vehicles are different from those made in 2000 and above, Mitsubishi decided to consolidate ecu's and making one, and calling it a PCM, found in 2000-2002, (manual trans from all years kept a separate ecu) so keep this in mind when swapping engine's from different years and knowing what you will get into before interchanging years.

Second piece of information:
1.5 engines or 4g15's have various different sensors and solenoids than a 1.8 or 4g93 so a wire harness swap along with the engine swap would be a better/cleaner "bolt-on swap" to avoid a possible electrical nightmare.(I have done both engine wire harness and under dash/interior harness on this build to virtually cancel out any rewiring configurations (it seems someone in this forum has used alternate ways but you can follow their swaps for alternate ways or other versions of swaps.)

third piece of information:
when wanting to do this 4g15 to 4g93 swap you will need to following parts from a 1.8l car:
1: 1.8l throttle cable (the 1.5l cable is shorter and will not fit in its respective bracket on the intake, modding your old "1.5" cable will work, its up to you though)
2: 1.8l pressure and return coolant hoses, (4 total) both from the firewall and both from the radiator. the firewall ones are longer on the 1.8 and the radiator ones are just plain different.
3: 1.8l power steering pump mounting bracket, its plain different.
4: 1.8l power steering pump upper hose, its longer and angled to clear the pulley as it seems to sit higher than the 1.5l p/s pump.
5: 1.8l wire harness A/from the same vehicle year B/from another vehicle year along with its PCM if interchanging years97-99 swapping to 00-02 and vice versa.
6: 1.8l MAF sensor/intake trac, the 1.5l uses it in a completely different location* look at build for details (uses MAP)

Now that you know, and knowing is half the battle i will show you how simple this swap really is, granted you have all the parts mentioned above.
*dont forget this is used as a guideline and im just showing you guys my experience, what worked for me and in no way am I guaranteeing the same outcome for you, every car has its on quirks that need to be treated differently*

remember, I will not go over every step during removal/re-installation due to the fact that if you decide to perform this task then you should have somewhat of a basic knowledge of mechanical skill. i recommend following an FSM or field service manual for any hard to understand tasks to avoid breaking expensive parts and to save time while removing and putting stuff back in.

here is the 2001 mirage w/1.8l pulled in the garage to remove its engine and keep ready for a 4g63 swap, the 1.8l engine will go into my 1999 mirage you will see as we progress.
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I begin tearing all the surrounding parts off and disconnecting the wire harness from the engine.
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while removing the stuff i noticed the 1.8l MAF sensor is located differently than that on the 1.5l. so i kept this part and transferred it.
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more removal, nothing special so no details on that.
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I used a ratchet strap rated @ 5000lbs to remove the engine and trans.
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removed engine
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wire harness mess.
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here's the engine pulled and ready to be washed
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drenching it in engine degreaser
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ready to push this one out to the backyard and bring in the 2dr 99 coupe w 4g15, remove it and swap the 4g93
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heres the 1.5, same deal one more time...
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removal,same process...
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almost ready to come off...
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pulling out the 4g15, again no details as its just removal and theres nothing special about it... so far...
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alright so when removing the wire harness there is a plastic tab held by a stud in the firewall/cabin side. pain in the ass to get the harness out, you need to put a long wrench thru the wireharness hole in the firewall, lay the wrench on the stud, to make it sit on the stud in the inside and hammer the wrench from the engine bay, to bend to crap that stud, to make clearance and life easier to remove that harness.like so:
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now to completely remove the remaning mess of wire, you need to manipulate your way thru the brake lines, easiest way was to remove/loosen the following lines shown:
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this was tedious work
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finished:
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ordered me some goodies while i was working on the cars
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dropped in the 4g93 overnight, now thats fast huh?
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I tryed swapping p/s pumps but the banjo ends where different, I could of replaced the whole hose as well, but at the moment I decided to keep the hoses, so ill be using the same pumps, just need to swap out brackets as so:
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year specific problem: my 1999 had a different connector for all accesories than the 2001 harness i put in, so i had to depin the connector, swap it and repin to the corresponding locations, please follow your maintenance manual diagrams, as i cant ensure similarities for different years.
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swapped 02 sensors
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this is what you have to look out for when you install the bracket, note the 2 p/s pump hoses and its shapes, the 1.5 wont clear the new pulley's location.
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just had to clip everything else together in the engine bay, and this is how she looks now:
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Last thing is I swapped instrument cluster because they somehow retain the odometer reading, its not the ecu that stores the mileage count.

Nothing further will be done to this car as I gave it to my wife. My build will be a 4 dr mirage to evo 5. I will start that thread as soon as my clip arrives.
 
Guys, not wanting to get flamed or anything... But why do people bother doing these conversions?
I understand if it was a Mirage which only came in a 1.5, but if you're doing it to a Lancer, why not sell the 1.5 Lancer, use the money from the sale + the money which would have gone towards the conversion and just buy a 1.8 Lancer?

I am not trying to be rude or tell people how they should spend their money, rather I am genuinely interested why someone would get into the effort/cost of going through such a conversion?
 
He wants to do a 4g94 conversion. He already has a 4g94, but he wants it in a CE lancer. Which none of them came with.

The same could be said about your coupe. You always say you havent driven it in like 4 years and its been garaged. Why pay so much money for a V6 conversion. if you aren't going to drive the car.

Its the same reason we are all on here modding lancers, because you can, and because you get enjoyment making it yours.
 
skippy said:
I've been entertaining the idea of using the CH to fund a CE conversion from the 4G15 to the 4G94.

IIRC my current CH has more dents then a freaking golf ball, looks freaking mint when I rock up at JDM meets ay.

The plan is to find a 4g15 or a blown 4g93 for <2k that I can transplant the heart of the CH into. Since the CH is 100% mechanically sound now it's the perfect oppitunity...

The point is that this "build" is going to be "better" then say 4g93 since it's the 4g94 and cheaper then buying a brand new decent 1.8L CE with the same amount of KM's...

/rant.

Not trying to be rude, but yeah.

EDIT:It's actually a fairly common swap, because you can pick up a 4g93 for say $500 right? or a you can raid a wreck and get loom and everything you require to swap it in. So for $500 0.3l displacement increase, about 20kw in power increase IIRC, more torque and generally nicer to drive. Yes its easy to say buy a 1.8 to start with but ay where is the fun in that when you GLi already has rims you like, lowered, exhaust and other things that you dont want to reinstall onto the 1.8l... Because in the end you 1.5l will sell 4k tops, a 1.8l can be from 4k to 5k in price and then comes the fact that if you want low km's you pay more...
 
I'm watching with interest.

I was thinking of going down this road with mine.
 
Trondabron said:
You always say you havent driven it in like 4 years and its been garaged. Why pay so much money for a V6 conversion. if you aren't going to drive the car.

I left Australia (out of necessity) and was planning on returning a year later, hence why the car was stored. But life does not always go to plan...
Also to do a V6 conversion to a Lancer today is pointless IMHO, the conversion was done when FTO's were in the 20 grand range, whereas today the conversion costs more than an FTO itself
 
few things with that link... the throttle cable on theres is massive being left hand drive also a few of there hoses etc ae different because of that reason.

The throttle cable that you have on your car will be perfect but again I would be aining for a Lancer that has a buggered engine - the bit that they mention about the ecu is correct if you have a auto g/box manual is the same.

yes you can use the 4G94 gearbox in your swap.

yes the crank sensor needs to be swapped just remove covers and belts and unplug and screw new one into place.

the 4G93 harness needs to be used so that the rest of the interior wire loom is compatable

by getting the 4G93 verssion Lancer you do not have to swap out key barrels and locks

If you do get a 4G15 then you are still going to need interior wire looms and engine looms keys key barrels key reader ecu throttle cable crank sensor cam sensor... then the hoses to connect other parts up like brakes power steering air cond....

as to places to look quokka - gumtree but be patient... you could get a 4G15 with a great body then go to an auction and pick up a wrecked MR and swap everything over (except the engine) that way you get power windows mirrors seats interior....

be patient... there are always bargains out there all depends on your budget and what you want fron it - if the car has had a small accident and needs front panels replaced come talk to me i can paint up and replace those panels cheaply.
 
here try this one it sounds like the car is a 1.8 by the size of exhaust... she would probably go as low as $2k and the clean up does not sound too bad small front quarter damage is cheap and easy to repair. http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/heathrid ... 1001085782

heres a 1.5 but in great condition... http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/bentley/ ... 1000743670

this one here is certainly worth a look the damage is very minor and would cost me bugger all to fix and replace at most $300 approx http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/balga/ca ... 1000929198
 
chowetime said:
here try this one it sounds like the car is a 1.8 by the size of exhaust... she would probably go as low as $2k and the clean up does not sound too bad small front quarter damage is cheap and easy to repair. http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/heathrid ... 1001085782

heres a 1.5 but in great condition... http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/bentley/ ... 1000743670

this one here is certainly worth a look the damage is very minor and would cost me bugger all to fix and replace at most $300 approx http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/balga/ca ... 1000929198


Thank you for both posts!

If i ended up buying a damaged painted one, would you be willing to help me out once the conversion is done? Since I know Panel beaters will charge me and arm and a leg... of course I'd pay for your time and effort as well.
 
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