4G15 to 4G93T Conversion

[Res]

4g93 head on a 4g94

yup 1.8L head makes more power then the 2.0L head on the 2L block
like a camshaft 0.5 upgrade (also aparently no tune needed if you use the 94 ecu, altho a tune would make the most of it)

 

[Joshy_morris]

4g93 head on a 4g94

bolts straight on?

 

[Spetz]

if i added up all that i have spent/ will spend on my conversion i would tip 20k easily. With that said my car has more value to me than a late model evo would.

Ha, you're lucky.
I've spent about 50K (bought the car new). And I feel like I must be mentally challenged. Well, at the time it was fun but now I am older and wiser... I think

 

[Joshy_morris]

if i added up all that i have spent/ will spend on my conversion i would tip 20k easily. With that said my car has more value to me than a late model evo would.

Ha, you're lucky.
I've spent about 50K (bought the car new). And I feel like I must be mentally challenged. Well, at the time it was fun but now I am older and wiser... I think

you only live once. dont regret. you had fun thats all that matters. when you look back you had one of first few 6a12 coupes in aus goin, id be proud of that.

 

[hero_kenshin]

Back to original question here...

When you've been quoted 4k for a halfcut, is this an Australian car or an imported halfcut? No Australian delivered cars came with a 4G93T in the correct orientation for a CE - the only 4G93T's in AUDM cars were from the earlier CC series in the GSR lancers. But the gear box, intake, etc are on the opposite side of the engine from CC -> CE models. They are fairly rare, but you can pick up 4G93T's from imported models - there were some on ebay not so long ago up in southern QLD in halfcut form that will go in easily enough, think they were about $3.5k from memory.

There is a hell of a lot of work involved in converting to AWD, ask Mike on here (EVO2DR) or CHASER if you want to go into what they went through. The option most people go is to buy a locking kit for 800ish from MEEK to lock it to FWD. Or the 4G93 FWD box can be used.

You also have to factor in labour, custom made exhaust, wiring, tuning, engineering, etc so you can see the price adds up pretty quickly.

Speak to Hens on here if you're serious about a conversion - he can probably do it for you, and knows his stuff. Many of us on here are his customers. He also does full turbo kits for 4G15 and 4G93 for roughly 4-5k installed to your standard engine so that could be a route to look at.

The engine i was going to buy has a half cut include in its price as it comes with one, i don't see why MEEK would charge me for getting another?
Hens? Does he have a site or anything, or just he just run through the forums?

EDIT

Plus you can get 1998 lancer CE up to a good 150kw (non-turbo) with the right work done to it, you just need to have it converted to DOHC first.

you are sadly mislead q_q

at best a street legal NA 4g15 would be pushing 96kw atw (and thats quite worked)
(stock they are neear the 59-66kw atw mark)

henry (who built a pretty solid 4g15 NA and turbo build) struggled to crack the 90kw mark non turbo
and he had some great mods and a great tune. think he got to 96max atw
even with dohc on top of that ur really only looking at 105kw and it'd run like a pig.

best bet is do a cheap conversion like a 4g93 (1.8L conversion sohc non turbo i4) cost is about $600-800 if you diy it and shop a bit smart

then with that base you already have all the parts to swap the block out for a 2.0L 4g94 block for more power (whilst retaining the everything else). and then work that to about 130kw atw with a beasty effort
or could choose to trubo the 2.0L engine down the track a bit and get near the 200kw mark

600-800? Heaps good, me thinks it doesnt include the front cut does it?
As for the 4G93T, i was planning on taking the Turbo out, until i'm finished on my Greens (1y)

Also as for my information, hoping its not wrong =[
but here's my main source (aside from other forums)
http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.ph...icle-performance-modification-guide&Itemid=93

I was also planning on getting the 4G15 DOHC engine there, doing up a parts price list now on all the *poo* ill be changing using the link posted above

 

[Res]

4g93 head on a 4g94

bolts straight on?

head bolts right on, using the 2L bottom end
great upgrade for the 93's basically all that is needed is the 4g94 short block and ECU and your 4g93
you can choose to use either 93 or 94 intake manifold (whichever takes ur fancy, 93 makes more allround power, whereas the 94 mani is for low end)

you would need 94 extractors to make sure they clear the bottom of the block tho (as its a bit longer)


HENRY's website
members.iinet.net.au/~henry.pham/

 

[Spetz]

if i added up all that i have spent/ will spend on my conversion i would tip 20k easily. With that said my car has more value to me than a late model evo would.

Ha, you're lucky.
I've spent about 50K (bought the car new). And I feel like I must be mentally challenged. Well, at the time it was fun but now I am older and wiser... I think

you only live once. dont regret. you had fun thats all that matters. when you look back you had one of first few 6a12 coupes in aus goin, id be proud of that.

You have a point there, I guess I would feel more satisfied if I ever got to use/drive the car. As it sits it has a rebuilt + slightly worked motor sitting in it that I drove about 1,000km to run it in before the dyno tune. Those 1,000km were put on it over 4 years ago

 

[Res]

600-800? Heaps good, me thinks it doesnt include the front cut does it?
As for the 4G93T, i was planning on taking the Turbo out, until i'm finished on my Greens (1y)

Also as for my information, hoping its not wrong =[
but here's my main source (aside from other forums)
http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.ph...icle-performance-modification-guide&Itemid=93

I was also planning on getting the 4G15 DOHC engine there, doing up a parts price list now on all the s*** ill be changing using the link posted above

not for the front cut, but $600-800 for every single part you require for the conversion (so long as u remove it all)
i'd say about $1000-1100 for the whole front cut with pannels etc.

the 4g93/4g94 sohc engines stock make far more power than they 4g15dohc. for less or the same cost... i know which i would be going.

also dont trust RPW... they ahve done some real dodgey stuff, sure they are great to buy parts off if you cant find them anywhere else (and know what your after and know how not to be ripped off), but you can generally find the parts they sell for way less from other sellers, also their advice is basic and generic

also its alot harder to just take a turbo off than you may think... you would need to change the pistons back to normal compression ones, and get a full retune which could cost $500 just for the tune

best to go with a 4g93/94 NA conversion and build it into a turbo, or do all the required braking and suspension mods while ur on waiting on ur p's then drop a turbo engine in it, you should have some experience by then aswell, this is what i did, and the time flies by, i didnt even get to finish my suspension system and only just finished of my brake upgrades before i got onto my opens.

 

[matty]

For "under $2000" for a DOHC 1.5 you could have a 4G94 sitting there with a few extra's, and a few extra kw.

 

[BI65ND]

Back to original question here...

When you've been quoted 4k for a halfcut, is this an Australian car or an imported halfcut? No Australian delivered cars came with a 4G93T in the correct orientation for a CE - the only 4G93T's in AUDM cars were from the earlier CC series in the GSR lancers. But the gear box, intake, etc are on the opposite side of the engine from CC -> CE models. They are fairly rare, but you can pick up 4G93T's from imported models - there were some on ebay not so long ago up in southern QLD in halfcut form that will go in easily enough, think they were about $3.5k from memory.

There is a hell of a lot of work involved in converting to AWD, ask Mike on here (EVO2DR) or CHASER if you want to go into what they went through. The option most people go is to buy a locking kit for 800ish from MEEK to lock it to FWD. Or the 4G93 FWD box can be used.

You also have to factor in labour, custom made exhaust, wiring, tuning, engineering, etc so you can see the price adds up pretty quickly.

Speak to Hens on here if you're serious about a conversion - he can probably do it for you, and knows his stuff. Many of us on here are his customers. He also does full turbo kits for 4G15 and 4G93 for roughly 4-5k installed to your standard engine so that could be a route to look at.

The engine i was going to buy has a half cut include in its price as it comes with one, i don't see why MEEK would charge me for getting another?
Hens? Does he have a site or anything, or just he just run through the forums?

EDIT

uhhh.... do you understand what a halfcut is?? A halfcut doesnt come in an engine. A halfcut is basically the front section of the car. Engine, box, drive shafts, brakes, etc. You said you were quoted over 4k for one - but didn't specify if it was a 4G93T out of a CC or CE. If it's out of a CC it won't work. If it's from a CE then the 3.5k on is a cheaper halfcut option for you. Didn't say anything about MEEK charging you for one :? The only thing I said MEEK would charge you for is the locking kit for the gearbox so you can use the AWD box for a FWD car

 

[Spetz]

How much are the 2.4L Lancer front cuts?
Personally it doesn't make sense to do an engine conversion to an engine that was offered standard.
If it were a Mirage a 4G93 would be fine, but seeing as it's a lancer you can sell yours and buy a 1.8

 

[Res]

the 2.4L 4g69's are not bolt in, they physically bolt in, but there is alot of work that needs to be done with the ecu and sensors because they are very different

 

[lancer02ce]

Omg a 2.4 in a coupe would be amazing

 

[hero_kenshin]

600-800? Heaps good, me thinks it doesnt include the front cut does it?
As for the 4G93T, i was planning on taking the Turbo out, until i'm finished on my Greens (1y)

Also as for my information, hoping its not wrong =[
but here's my main source (aside from other forums)
http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.ph...icle-performance-modification-guide&Itemid=93

I was also planning on getting the 4G15 DOHC engine there, doing up a parts price list now on all the s*** ill be changing using the link posted above

not for the front cut, but $600-800 for every single part you require for the conversion (so long as u remove it all)
i'd say about $1000-1100 for the whole front cut with pannels etc.

the 4g93/4g94 sohc engines stock make far more power than they 4g15dohc. for less or the same cost... i know which i would be going.

also dont trust RPW... they ahve done some real dodgey stuff, sure they are great to buy parts off if you cant find them anywhere else (and know what your after and know how not to be ripped off), but you can generally find the parts they sell for way less from other sellers, also their advice is basic and generic

also its alot harder to just take a turbo off than you may think... you would need to change the pistons back to normal compression ones, and get a full retune which could cost $500 just for the tune

best to go with a 4g93/94 NA conversion and build it into a turbo, or do all the required braking and suspension mods while ur on waiting on ur p's then drop a turbo engine in it, you should have some experience by then aswell, this is what i did, and the time flies by, i didnt even get to finish my suspension system and only just finished of my brake upgrades before i got onto my opens.

$2000, really? Most of the info i've found suggests it might be much more then that.
What are some good places to look for engines? my sources are extremely limited

I could tell the prices from RPW were steep and i was planning to look else where, just hoped their info was correct. Atleast i know better now.
Thinking getting a 4G93 conversion seems best.

 

[Res]

basically wreckers, they usually have them every once in a while,

which state are u in?
(also ebay has a few atm)

 

[hero_kenshin]

NSW

 

[12SHW LANCER]

You missed out, I just sold mine....

And over 2 years ago I spent more than 7k on my 4G93T conversion.

 

[hero_kenshin]

You missed out, I just sold mine....

And over 2 years ago I spent more than 7k on my 4G93T conversion.

So would i be correct to say a 4G93 conversion is alot cheaper then a 4G93T?
Unless im missing something ( i probably am) i thought the only difference between a 4G93 and 4G93T is the turbo?

 

[Lachy]

4g93 = single over head cam, no turbo

4g93t = double over head cam + turbo

4g93 conversion shouldnt cost you any more then it costs to pick up an engine/box(anywhere from $300-800?) unless you are geting a mechanic to do the conversion, then allow a lot of $$$ for labour as mechanics love to charge for that(id guess around $1000+.. could be wrong).

so a lot cheaper than a 4g93t conversion indeed.

honestly what do you want out of your car in the long run? if its power... suck it up and keep the 4g15 until you can afford a 4g92, 6a12, 4g93t or 4g63t.
if its not power you are after then stick to the 4g93.. you'll be surprised what can be achieved from a 4g93 sohc + mods

 

[hero_kenshin]

4g93 = single over head cam, no turbo

4g93t = double over head cam + turbo

4g93 conversion shouldnt cost you any more then it costs to pick up an engine/box(anywhere from $300-800?) unless you are geting a mechanic to do the conversion, then allow a lot of $$$ for labour as mechanics love to charge for that(id guess around $1000+.. could be wrong).

so a lot cheaper than a 4g93t conversion indeed.

honestly what do you want out of your car in the long run? if its power... suck it up and keep the 4g15 until you can afford a 4g92, 6a12, 4g93t or 4g63t.
if its not power you are after then stick to the 4g93.. you'll be surprised what can be achieved from a 4g93 sohc + mods

I do want power... very much, but also affordabilty.

I'm 90% sure i can't do the engine swap myself, i sent an email to Hens however... still waiting for a reply.

i got a quote for a 4G93T including front cut, wire loom etc for $4500, then got a quote from MEEK on labour which was $7000+ as a rough estimate.
So total for that engine would be $12K almost. Unless i can find a cheaper way to put the 4G93T i will probably just go with the 4G93.
Im sure its possible to do a DOHC conversion on the 4G93 in a years time, right? Then just add a turbo in a year and i should be pretty set?

Only thing i lack atm is contacts. I don't know "ANY" good shops, part shops, tuners or just people who know what theyre talking about.