4G15 to 4G93T Conversion

hero_kenshin

hero_kenshin

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Hi guys,
Newb here.

Anywho, straight to the point.
I own a 1998 Lancer Gli (CE) with a 4g15 1.5 SOHC. It's my pride and joy (just not as fast as my mates supra and RX8, but thats a given)

So i've found a 4G93T engine including full front cut, gearbox, drive train ETC for
$4500
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All i need now is someone to install it for me (preferably cheap), so here is where my question comes in.
I live in western sydney (NSW) and was curious to see whether anyone here knew anyone who could do the conversion for me (dealers, tuners, mechanics etc)
I've found a tuner shop willing to do the conversion for
$7000+
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; (http://www.meek.com.au/index.php?act=viewDoc&docId=2)
i'm hoping to find it cheap but also want to get a few quotes from a few different places and kinda of pick whose the best.
So does anyone know any trusted shops in the NSW Area?
Links if possible =]

Also considering doing it myself, Doing research now (with a few mechanic friends)

Another question,
Pro's and con's of leaving it in FWD and the pro's and con's of converting to AWD

Cheers guys

[UPDATE]
*Want to Buy*
4g93 1.8 with full wire loom and front cut
email me at:
Code: 
garionhystek@hotmail.com
If you know of anywhere or are selling (Email is checked daily)
 
Yeah, absolutely everything, it was a quote over the phone, but it was a long list of everything its for and what theyd have to.
Apparently the conversion can't be done? another member on this forums telling me that.
Is anyone like 100% sure on this, i've done my research and unless everyone onlines lying it can be done.

My other option is pick up another 4G15 with DOHC and a bunch of other stuff done to it, with the DOHC and a bunch of other mods itll add "some" power, not as much as putting the 4G93T in it though.
The 4G15 with DOHC is only 1300 though, so i can still budget that in plus labor and get my exterior detailing done aswell.

Is it worth spending 2-3K doing up a 4G15 engine?
Im assuming someone on this forum will know :p
 
try becoming apart of the fourm insted of just comming in and asking things then pissing off again. do a ride thread, intro thread. be a part of auslancer.


you will find out alot more info that way
 
too expencive, DIY it, get it done for WAY less than that and learn about the engine along the way, some info you WILL need to own a turbo converted 4g93 dohc T lancer
knowlege of your own build is key.

you just need an engine crane... if you buy the front cut EVERYTHING is already there and will bolt in/ connect up for wiring
only things missing will be exhaust and possibly fuel pump.

then get it engineered and road worthy'd.

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dont go 4g15 dohc, not enuf gains for cost.

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meek do do a good job, nothing against them, just heaps of newbies come round here with such large dreams... it never happens
 
Your $4k lancer is not worth spending 11k on. You will finish the conversion, have problems with traction/cops etc and lose resale value.

That being said. Meek will do a brilliant job, if the price includes engineering, it's a reasonable ask for a company that does this for a living.

Sure you can do it cheaper if you DIY it, but you will have a hell of a time unless you have a well kitted out garage.

Questions like "is it worth it?" are very subjective. Is it worth it to you???
 
MOR31 said:
try becoming apart of the fourm insted of just comming in and asking things then pissing off again. do a ride thread, intro thread. be a part of auslancer.


you will find out alot more info that way
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I plan on being a part of AusLancer,
Yeah, i understand the whole first post right after joining up asking *poo* like this... but it has to be done for me to get anywhere
I joined this forum in particular because its about lancers, and i love my lancer :p
Enough on that subject though

Res said:
too expencive, DIY it, get it done for WAY less than that and learn about the engine along the way, some info you WILL need to own a turbo converted 4g93 dohc T lancer
knowlege of your own build is key.

you just need an engine crane... if you buy the front cut EVERYTHING is already there and will bolt in/ connect up for wiring
only things missing will be exhaust and possibly fuel pump.

then get it engineered and road worthy'd.

[edit]

dont go 4g15 dohc, not enuf gains for cost.

[edit2]
meek do do a good job, nothing against them, just heaps of newbies come round here with such large dreams... it never happens
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I was considering DIY, because as said i can learn more that... but im thinking its a big task, not one for a bunch of guys who haven't got much experience at all.

That being said i am considering just buying the re-done 4G15 with DOHC and throwing on little parts here and there but keeping most of my work on visuals (For now)

I love my lancer, i have loved it since i've had it... in value terms its more sentimental value (to me) im not selling it after its finished.
Its my project car, it fits "my" budget.

Plus you can get 1998 lancer CE up to a good 150kw (non-turbo) with the right work done to it, you just need to have it converted to DOHC first.
Back to budgets, im not trying to build a high powered racing machine, more or less customizing my ride to feel more unique to me.

For now im reading forums, asking questions & getting quotes on every idea i come up with.

Trondabron said:
Your $4k lancer is not worth spending 11k on. You will finish the conversion, have problems with traction/cops etc and lose resale value.

That being said. Meek will do a brilliant job, if the price includes engineering, it's a reasonable ask for a company that does this for a living.

Sure you can do it cheaper if you DIY it, but you will have a hell of a time unless you have a well kitted out garage.

Questions like "is it worth it?" are very subjective. Is it worth it to you???
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Yeah i think im sticking with the 4G15, but getting the DOHC conversion, and just throwing bits of money into random places.

I've decided im not going to go ahead with the engine swap, no point at the moment.
Cheers for the help.
 
hero_kenshin said:
Plus you can get 1998 lancer CE up to a good 150kw (non-turbo) with the right work done to it, you just need to have it converted to DOHC first.
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you are sadly mislead q_q

at best a street legal NA 4g15 would be pushing 96kw atw (and thats quite worked)
(stock they are neear the 59-66kw atw mark)

henry (who built a pretty solid 4g15 NA and turbo build) struggled to crack the 90kw mark non turbo
and he had some great mods and a great tune. think he got to 96max atw
even with dohc on top of that ur really only looking at 105kw and it'd run like a pig.

best bet is do a cheap conversion like a 4g93 (1.8L conversion sohc non turbo i4) cost is about $600-800 if you diy it and shop a bit smart

then with that base you already have all the parts to swap the block out for a 2.0L 4g94 block for more power (whilst retaining the everything else). and then work that to about 130kw atw with a beasty effort
or could choose to trubo the 2.0L engine down the track a bit and get near the 200kw mark
 
4 hours to chuck the turbo towel in.

4g15 dohc... waste of time aswell as trying to chase 150 kw n/a..


Res beat me.
 
also dont worry, almost all of us had these sort of "dreams" when we started

then you realise just how much effort/money/planning/time/experience/waiting/saving is actually involved.

i'll tell u now, there is nothing wrong with doing a cheap 4g93/4 sohc conversion, probably the best power:cost ratio mod
for the little CE's, going from a 55-63kw sohc 4g15, to a ~78kw 4g93 (1.8L) or ~86kw 4g94 (2.0L)
 
another plus of going a sohc is that parts are cheap and lots!
fairly easy to find too!
 
You know you can pick up something like an S14 turbo for less money than your car + the conversion is worth?

Back in the early 00s these conversions were more justifiable than they are today. For example in 2004 I spent 8K for a 6A12 conversion, but at that time FTO's were in the 20K range. Today 8K buys you an FTO so there has to be something wrong with someone to spend that kind of money on a conversion on a car which is worth so little, and when other cars are so cheap to buy as well
 
if i added up all that i have spent/ will spend on my conversion i would tip 20k easily. With that said my car has more value to me than a late model evo would.
 
i vote turbo the 4g15 sohc. if it pops, buy another motor. same goes for 93/94's.


ce are that cheap and plentiful. just spend the money is a smart manor and youll be right.


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side note, one thing that urks me is the "buy an evo, rather then...."

if you're type of person who likes a cool car to drive round in = get a more expensive car

if you're the type of person who like to tinker/mod = get a cheaper car. more expensive car = more expensive mods.
 
d3x said:
if i added up all that i have spent/ will spend on my conversion i would tip 20k easily. With that said my car has more value to me than a late model evo would.
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indeed. 20k is far too easy to spend over a few years on a car
i would have spent around about the $7K mark at the moment (not incl. origonal cost of the car). not even half done.

but i think for a beginner a 4g15dohc is not going to be worth it, and the 93T will be too overwhelming
.: NA 4g93 or 4g94 conversions are a good choice as they are cheap and plenty of spare/cheap parts if you fk up
with plenty of aftermarket support for forced induction or naturally aspirated routes
 
Back to original question here...

When you've been quoted 4k for a halfcut, is this an Australian car or an imported halfcut? No Australian delivered cars came with a 4G93T in the correct orientation for a CE - the only 4G93T's in AUDM cars were from the earlier CC series in the GSR lancers. But the gear box, intake, etc are on the opposite side of the engine from CC -> CE models. They are fairly rare, but you can pick up 4G93T's from imported models - there were some on ebay not so long ago up in southern QLD in halfcut form that will go in easily enough, think they were about $3.5k from memory.

There is a hell of a lot of work involved in converting to AWD, ask Mike on here (EVO2DR) or CHASER if you want to go into what they went through. The option most people go is to buy a locking kit for 800ish from MEEK to lock it to FWD. Or the 4G93 FWD box can be used.

You also have to factor in labour, custom made exhaust, wiring, tuning, engineering, etc so you can see the price adds up pretty quickly.

Speak to Hens on here if you're serious about a conversion - he can probably do it for you, and knows his stuff. Many of us on here are his customers. He also does full turbo kits for 4G15 and 4G93 for roughly 4-5k installed to your standard engine so that could be a route to look at.
 
ypu could get a eevo 1, 2 or 3 for the price of yourcar and conversion plus half cut
 
this thread was actuallly a really good read,
my 2c, dont even touch the 1.5, although henry proved you can make a quick little car out of it, for the cost to go to 1.8 litre and go even further with the same money, i dont see why you'd stick with the 1.5,
also did i read that you can stick a 1.8 head on a 2.0? what 2.0? i dont know how i havnt know this? lol. (i know off topic)
 
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