Lancer failed Roady :(

Mikey linked the exact thing I quote earlier. All the laws only stipulate increase or decreases in tyres, not rims, and only affecting rolling diameter. If you have a rolling diameter that till falls within the legal limits, you're all sweet (which you are).

Also, gasket for $15. Scroll to valve cover gasket down the bottom: http://precisionintl.com/Engine.aspx?ID ... ID=4819959
 
Also he shouldn't be looking at the wheels for a road worthy cert, the cert is only to make sure your car is safe on the street with no leaks

The wheels are a modification not a safety feature, only thing he should be looking at with the wheels are if tyres have enough tread and it's not interfering with any part of the car which will cause a fault or accident
 
Don't know how it works up there but I do road worthy certificate inspections here in VIC.

It's stated by law we have to inspect the vehicle and make sure it complies to all VSI and ADR's. That means that if the car has too large a wheel then we have to fail it mikey.

Having said that, you are both right about overall diameter instead of rim size. This issue being however that if you put 17's on a ce lancer you need a low profile tyre (eg205/40) to meet the diameter laws and as most lancers require a 86w load rating you need a correctly rated tyre.

Not many 205/40/17 Tyres are a 86w load rating or higher.

CE lancers being non abs are easy, throw abs in the mix and look over the rules and it gets even stricter with widths very limited.

Now yes he has the wrong info, but if a car doesn't meet ADR standards then in my books that's a roadworthy requirement, same as if you mount a LPG filler in a sliding door on a van where it can get crushed and put the tank behind the baby seat.

It's a modification like wheels isn't it, but wouldn't you look at that for roadworthy? It's clearly unsafe, so it should meet ADR's.
 
hotwyr said:
Don't know how it works up there but I do road worthy certificate inspections here in VIC.

QLD documentation has been cited and a case made. Roadworthy certs are the most basic thing in QLD, they are literally a joke most of the time.
 
Ah, makes more sense now.

In VIC the testers get reamed big time if we don't stick to the rules hence why I know the ADR's pretty well. I tend to study them in my free time lol
 
I use to assist with rwc inspections in vic too... the rolling diameter is correct (for vic) that as long as it is within 15mm +/- its fine, however the only thing stated for rim is that they cannot be welded,repaired or 2 piece etc... and the overall width of the rim (not to be confused with the diameter of the face of the rim) cannot increase or decrease by more than 1 inch (from memory) but a lot of mechanics use this rule for the face of the rim too, the main concern there is that at full lock it can foul parts of the under carriage and can cause an accident in theory. the leaking rocker cover should only fail if it meets the following, (going from memory here) clean the leak, drive for 5 min, idle for 20 min, if leak drips more than a 20 cent piece its a fail, if its just a weep then its fine. as for fixing it there is no silicone/sealant needed, just a new gasket and approx 10-15nm torque but make sure you change the spark plug seals too as they are more common to leak than the outside seal. you can find the kit at any auto parts store for approx 20-60 depending on brand and store. DO NOT ADJUST THE HANDBRAKE BY THE BOLT IN THE CENTRE CONSOLE AREA! to adjust it all you need to do is take the little rubber inspection cover out on the back of the drum, with a flat blade wind the adjuster in there a few clicks and test the handbrake, approx 4-5 clicks with the handle should be full lock on the wheels, any other method anyone tells you is wrong aside from a stretched cable which almost never happens.

the fact is he is a licensed vehicle tester so one would assume he knows the rules better than us, he has inspected it and found this to be wrong so deal with it plus it is his job and livelyhood on the line if his license gets pulled due to an audit for suss rwc's so sometimes you just have to bend over and take whatever they say within reason, he could have found a hell of a lot more to fail so count your blessings, I just picked up my rwc for my ce today after doing repairs this week, mine found windscreen, front seat belts not retracting properly, 4 tyres aged and bald, rear wheel cylinders leaking, foglight not working, number plate lights not working plus a few insignificant things. all up cost me about 400 total doing it myself. your repairs should cost you less than 200 depending how you go about it.

granted the rules are different in every state so please confirm everything with your own rta/dmt etc... but unless what they pick on seems unreasonable like a dried oil stain on a rocker cover being failed as a leak, you should just fix it and move on, afterall they are certifying your car is safe for the road which impacts everyone not just you, think of it this way, if they passed a car that was not roadworthy due to bad tyres or an oil leak and they caused an accident which harmed you or your loved ones, you would be out for blood and money.
 
rigby said:
Mikey linked the exact thing I quote earlier. All the laws only stipulate increase or decreases in tyres, not rims, and only affecting rolling diameter. If you have a rolling diameter that till falls within the legal limits, you're all sweet (which you are).
Why would you want to change the rolling dia of the wheel/tire, thats just gonna screw with your speedo. making the car work harder or be slower off the line.

Of course if you go up in wheel size you need a lower profile tire, most dealers won't fit tires that are not suitable for the car they are going on to.

Only exception is if you're making a rally car and want a bigger wheel and higher tire to soak up the bumps on dirt roads but even they you'd probably have to mess with the speedo to bring it back in line and you're likely to do more work to the car anyway.
 
Okay well I tightened the handbrake just using the nut/cable under the console. Took me a while to get it but it feels pretty good now.
Slapped on the Lancer rims I picked up off Gummy, but the steering wheel wobbles subtly. I had a suspicion that the wheels on the front weren't on tight enough so I checked that and tightened them up as much as I could but the problem persists. Have a feeling it could do with the wheel nuts I picked up from Repco (the chromies nuts wouldn't fit) and maybe the fitment is off/they're not hugging the wheel to the hub.

Guess I'll just have to take it in to a tyre store Tuesday and let them fix it up
 
rigby said:
Probs need to be balanced

So tyre shop it is. How much would I be looking at?
Picked up some high temp silicone today as well, I'll use that for the rocker cover gasket next day I'm not working and see how that goes
 
hotwyr said:
Don't know how it works up there but I do road worthy certificate inspections here in VIC.

It's stated by law we have to inspect the vehicle and make sure it complies to all VSI and ADR's. That means that if the car has too large a wheel then we have to fail it mikey.

Yeh it's different here, we have a blueslip which is basically the same as your RWC, this gets done if a vehicle has been unregistered for a max of 3 months.
Then we have pinkslip, which is a safety inspection only, this is a compulsaty inspecion that gets carried out annually, unless the car needs a blueslip which covers all the pinkslip checklist

Other states have it lucky imho
 
EVL20T said:
hotwyr said:
Don't know how it works up there but I do road worthy certificate inspections here in VIC.

It's stated by law we have to inspect the vehicle and make sure it complies to all VSI and ADR's. That means that if the car has too large a wheel then we have to fail it mikey.

Yeh it's different here, we have a blueslip which is basically the same as your RWC, this gets done if a vehicle has been unregistered for a max of 3 months.
Then we have pinkslip, which is a safety inspection only, this is a compulsaty inspecion that gets carried out annually, unless the car needs a blueslip which covers all the pinkslip checklist

Other states have it lucky imho

Annual inspection would be lame financially but its be a good heads up for those that can't identify issues on their own. You won't believe how many cars drive around my neighbourhood that would insta-fail a roadworthy. But to them it doesn't matter cause it passed 50 years ago so "she'll be right"
 
tks said:
EVL20T said:
hotwyr said:
Don't know how it works up there but I do road worthy certificate inspections here in VIC.

It's stated by law we have to inspect the vehicle and make sure it complies to all VSI and ADR's. That means that if the car has too large a wheel then we have to fail it mikey.

Yeh it's different here, we have a blueslip which is basically the same as your RWC, this gets done if a vehicle has been unregistered for a max of 3 months.
Then we have pinkslip, which is a safety inspection only, this is a compulsaty inspecion that gets carried out annually, unless the car needs a blueslip which covers all the pinkslip checklist

Other states have it lucky imho

Annual inspection would be lame financially but its be a good heads up for those that can't identify issues on their own. You won't believe how many cars drive around my neighbourhood that would insta-fail a roadworthy. But to them it doesn't matter cause it passed 50 years ago so "she'll be right"

As long as inspection isn't too stringent - parents drive an nissan imported Terrano II and its an absolute *mum* to find parts for. Wouldn't pass a roady just off the fact that its got a cracked headlight and can't find a replacement in Aus and imports are $400+. Shines fine and is mechanically A1 but would likely fail.

But it would be could to see less rust bucket commies and falcons around.
 
jumper918 said:
tks said:
EVL20T said:
hotwyr said:
Don't know how it works up there but I do road worthy certificate inspections here in VIC.

It's stated by law we have to inspect the vehicle and make sure it complies to all VSI and ADR's. That means that if the car has too large a wheel then we have to fail it mikey.

Yeh it's different here, we have a blueslip which is basically the same as your RWC, this gets done if a vehicle has been unregistered for a max of 3 months.
Then we have pinkslip, which is a safety inspection only, this is a compulsaty inspecion that gets carried out annually, unless the car needs a blueslip which covers all the pinkslip checklist

Other states have it lucky imho

Annual inspection would be lame financially but its be a good heads up for those that can't identify issues on their own. You won't believe how many cars drive around my neighbourhood that would insta-fail a roadworthy. But to them it doesn't matter cause it passed 50 years ago so "she'll be right"

As long as inspection isn't too stringent - parents drive an nissan imported Terrano II and its an absolute *mum* to find parts for. Wouldn't pass a roady just off the fact that its got a cracked headlight and can't find a replacement in Aus and imports are $400+. Shines fine and is mechanically A1 but would likely fail.

But it would be could to see less rust bucket commies and falcons around.

Just stuff like leaks, suspension and rust should be annual check ups. Basically a "Will this car fall apart by this time next year? No? Carry On".

Also unrelated, is there a guide on here for taking off the rocker cover the correct way? Couldn't really find one (not that I looked too hard) and I'll be attempting the rocker cover gasket just using high temp silicone tomorrow.
 
tks said:
Also unrelated, is there a guide on here for taking off the rocker cover the correct way? Couldn't really find one (not that I looked too hard) and I'll be attempting the rocker cover gasket just using high temp silicone tomorrow.

Just undo all the bolts, replace gasket, then do opposite sides when tightening
 
donki said:
tks said:
Also unrelated, is there a guide on here for taking off the rocker cover the correct way? Couldn't really find one (not that I looked too hard) and I'll be attempting the rocker cover gasket just using high temp silicone tomorrow.

Just undo all the bolts, replace gasket, then do opposite sides when tightening

So sparkies out, bolts out, goopy goop everywhere, bolts back on alternating sides.
Sounds easy enough.. I'll update tomorrow when I f*ck up and need more help
 
High temp silicone isn't a replacement rocker cover gasket. It's like the sidekick to the superhero
 
If you're using sealant then anything you want it to stick to (to stop leaks) needs to be very clean, no oily residue.
 
Better off spending the 50 and getting a proper gasket and changing it, only takes a few hours at the most.
Also you could use the time to paint the cover while it's off the engine but this will mean leaving it off over night for the paint to dry properly.
 
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