RTA , Engineering , conversion question

mmc77 said:
Thanks the mivec seems like an excellent choice the power is up there for sure and after watching several YouTube clips of them reving there heads off they would definetly be something different . Ill have to do some research on there availability , cost, running costs and reliability. Does anyone know a ruff cost of engineers cert and if there's any other hoops you need to jump through with those guys. cheers.
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engi cert for my current car costed about around $800 cant remmeber exact price, but was done around 3 4 years ago, not too sure if more things needed enginnering costs more or less but what was engineered in my car was the turbo, intercooler, gauges, brakes, intake, exhaust
 
ARC said:
It's a pity you can't get a stroker kit or something and boost it internally without changing the block.
For all anyone else would think, still a 1.5 inside, like my old Ford, went from a 302 to a 390. Still rego'd as a 302 :cool:

I guess porting and polishing would still be an option too, upgraded cam..?
But I'm not really familiar with these, so I couldn't really say what's doable with these.
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The only prob with modding the 1.5 Short of putting a turbo on is just to match the 93 you'd have to spend a whole bunch of cash way more then engineering costs that's for sure.
I know some people say there's not much difference between the two engines and on paper none of them are power houses but after owning several of both there is a big difference in the driving experience for sure personally although the 1.5 is a strong little engine that ill take a crap load of abuse i don't find anything enjoyable about it.
* please dont punch me 1.5 owners.
 
450aud isn't too bad for +100cc or thereabouts
But u will find that it will cost more as everything does, probably put in new bearings and rings among other things if u did that

And still ur running a 12v head and a dizzy


Best to spend tha 450 on a 93 and engineer it, better base for more mods and will make more power in the end most likely
 
But will a 93 still pass even with an Engineers Cert...?

As much as I used to enjoy trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the law, I'm past that now.
I'd rather have the hassle of doing it right, rather than the Mrs hassling me cause ive got to clear defects.
As sad as that sounds, you'll all understand one day, lol
 
ARC said:
But will a 93 still pass even with an Engineers Cert...?

As much as I used to enjoy trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the law, I'm past that now.
I'd rather have the hassle of doing it right, rather than the Mrs hassling me cause ive got to clear defects.
As sad as that sounds, you'll all understand one day, lol
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I hear where your coming from ARC iam in the same boats as you mate Iam not interested in being hassled buy the cops or pulling my car half apart to get its slip done every year Iam too old for that rubbish
Once your certified your all good it legal the RTA, police everyone's happy. Ive sent off about 10 emails to VSCCS inspectors in the Wollongong and Sydney area and have been making calls for the last week or so when I start getting some concrete info back ill post it up I too am interested to find out the hard facts and the current up to the minute rules and regulations so there is no nasty surprises.
 
This is why I've steered away from jap cars the last several years, legislation and laws change all the time.
And they seem to look down on jap cars more, classic stereotyping.

But I quite enjoy the Mirage and see potential so i want it right to save dramas.

I'll be interested to see where this lands :)
 
So as mentioned ive been trying to get cost and whats involved and ill use this post to update any replies I get so it may be useful for others to use.
I basically sent an email out saying mirage with mods (4g93,coilovers,brakes) with the questions , whats involved, does cost vary depending how many mods, and do they help out if you need to come back to them later on eg if you say turbo later on etc.
From what ive found out there is no regulation for the cost of this at all so they can pretty much charge what ever they like which leads me to believe the cost could vary a few hundered either way but we'll see.Also this is just is a fist contact email /call so it doesnt count for if the guy likes ya or hates you in the end and the cost/hassle may vary
anyways heres the first reply

all sound acceptable, need a weigh bridge ticket and then book in for inspection. $990 for full report 50% required up front

Greg South
G FORCE AUTOMOTIVE MACARTHUR MOBILITY
service@gforceautomotive.com.au service@mmobility.com.au
http://www.gforceautomotive.com.au http://www.mmobility.com.au

Heres the second reply this one includes a bit of info on what happens if you return later with more mods eg turbo
Hi Mark
The mods you are suggesting are not that unusual and will not be a problem as long as you use the original computer and harness for pollution requirements, the brake upgrade will need to be tested but that's not a big problem the cost will be $1000.00 for the mods you have mentioned, the problem is that when it is first certified I have to issue a certificate, when you fit the turbo I have to issue another certificate for just the turbo so if the certificate is for just the turbo its $500.00 if you add anymore to the certificate than just the turbo it becomes a complex certificate and that is $1000.00. hope this helps Don't forget that when you fit the turbo you still have to comply with ADR regulations for pollution and will have to go through a test to prove that it still complies with standard.

Cheers
Troy
FINK Engineering
Modified Vehicle Certification
Troy Brodie
37 Preston st
Figtree
0423183624
mailto:bluexp@optusnet.com.au
ABN 36 140 724 456 1/9 Maxwell Place, Narellan NSW 2567 Ph. 02-4646 1400
 
Ive built many cars that end being engineered for all modifications.
Of the top of my head these would include, coilover suspension, front and rear brakes, standalone ecu, exhaust system, seats, steering wheel, gear knob, tacho cluster. Everything is inspect and listed so no one can dispute the modifications.
Well actually the VSCCS engineer comes to my place and inspects the cars.
Ive done cars on the old systems as new as the new VSCCS system as well.
He does a very thorough job and does not charge $1000 or over

Now 4g93 swap in a Lancer CE does not require a engineer cert. Sure you already know that.
Also 4g94 swap in a Lancer CE doesnt not require engineer cert. I did one a few days ago. Rego paper now shows 4g94xxxxxxx

I have also sent many cars that ive tuned specifly to get im240 pollution testing and with full standalone ecus and custom turbo setups etc.
All of them passed so if you need help on that Im sure I can assist.

From my gatherings the CE Mirage used the same ADR approvals, and compliance plate for testing.
There is definately a grey area there.
A 4g93 engine number change in a Mirage for rego has been done before without engineers certificate. I seen the rego paper with 4g93xxxxx myself.
The chassis from the B pillar forward is identical. 2door coupe and 3 door hatchback use the same brakes all around. etc etc.

If you want advice and it is advice that some vehicle engineers are reluctant to give then Im sure I can give you some direction.
Ive built enough cars that all passed emissions and got engineer certicates to know a thing or two.
 
Thanks for the post Henry, appreciate the input from someone with experience in this matter. Its interesting you mention about the grey area with a certificate for the 4g93 in a mirage , it would be good to do something like that in a situation where it might take awhile to mod a mirage the way a person wants eg suspension ,brakes, turbo etc the whole setup but it may take them some time like a year or more.
This in effect would save multiple trips to the engineer but still being able to keep the car on the road during the build period.
And yes i would welcome any advice you are willing to make available, I'm personally and I'm sure there are others who would be interested in the subject, as everyone in general seems to know a little bit here and there but are not to sure about the hoops you have to jump through, prob doesn't help the rules change from time to time and reading through the rules issued by government /rta is a daunting task.
As most things once you know what your doing it doesn't seem to hard at all.
Also I've still yet to hear back from any other engineering places I've contacted but if and when i get more ill post em up.
 
Hey Henry, have you done many 4G93 DOHC GTi Satria conversions?
 
ARC said:
Hey Henry, have you done many 4G93 DOHC GTi Satria conversions?
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Into a CE? won't work, gearbox and intake are back to front. You can get a DOHC head onto a standard 93, though the gains aren't huge for how much they cost.
 
BI65ND said:
ARC said:
Hey Henry, have you done many 4G93 DOHC GTi Satria conversions?
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Into a CE? won't work, gearbox and intake are back to front. You can get a DOHC head onto a standard 93, though the gains aren't huge for how much they cost.
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May as well just buy a GTi Satria and save the hassle and cost, lol
That's if any un-thrashed ones exist :think:
 
I sent a email to the RTA
Hi Id like to put a 4G93 (1.8) out of a Mitsubishi CE lancer coupe into
a CE mirage hatch which has a 4G15( 1.5) engine.
These car have identical running gear brakes suspension interior the whole lot the
only difference is one is a hatchback and the other has a boot. I have
been reading through the endless amount ADR'S,rules reg's etc . And
according to my under standing under the VSB14 it is OK to do this swap
due to the rules stated and zero modifications being made.
Obviously I need to confirm this is OK with the RTA before going ahead. Can someone
please let me know so information on this. Hopefully I have sent this
message to the right department and someone can get back to me about it
, if I have sent this to the wrong department can it be forwarded to the
right one where I can acquire the correct information.
Thank-you
Mark
04xx xxx xxx

after two weeks this was the reply from the RTA

Mark.
The fitment of the 1.8L engine would require certification by an RMS licensed certifier. I have attached a list fyi.

Regards Kevin

So as I thought the RTA is as useful as always, Didn't think they'd be much help but anyways , thought id put this up just to ad to the info even though its not much help.
 

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I hear there is a 6a12 mivec for sale, would go well in a lil rage
 
Speak to an engineer and ask if the car will need to be certified, some people from the RTA couldnt bother looking up specs etc and just seel oh 1.5 to 1.8 thats more than 15% increase, u need engineers etc
 
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