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roro 93

roro 93

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hey all, thinking of doing some supporting mods to my lancer in line as i may turbo it down the track,
after some info such as

HEAD WORK:
should i buy a cam and stiffer springs etc? what lift does what range of power etc,
or should i try to find a 4g63 head DOHC???
also could someone please clarify the benefits of an adjustable cam gear?
*EDIT* after researching cams, have understood some of the lift and duration basics, anyone know what lift a stock motor should suit, with possibility of turbo later on?



FUEL SYSTEM:
probably the first thing, bigger injectors and a better fuel pump, any idea what size fuel pump would be adequate but not over kill, and what sized injectors?
i will be in touch with EFI automotives close to my work soon for their opinion but until then


BITS:
under drive pulley? whats their purpose, how are they beneficial?
also lightweight flywheel? how much difference will they make?

INTAKE:
thinking of taking all the crap out of my intake, its bog stock, should i go for a pod setup? or rip the sound deadeners out of mine?


if people could link me places or to articles explaining parts please help me out :)
trying to do my research before i go do something stupid haha
also i have looked at the performance parts guide, looking to be a bit different
 
You need to search. Being an apprentice mechanic you should understand the basics needed already
 
i understand the basics and i can do all the work myself, im just trying to gain some real good knowledge and research about cams and their lifts, types of intakes etc, im still googling and have been since last night, trying to gain as much insight as i can
 
a 4g63 will be illegal as it is too powerful for a fwd so it will no pass an inspection. If you are looking at turbo, go for a 1.8 DOCH gsr engine :D
 
stillstanding45 said:
a 4g63 will be illegal as it is too powerful for a fwd so it will no pass an inspection. If you are looking at turbo, go for a 1.8 DOCH gsr engine :D
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They have power restrictions on fwd?
Got a link to that one?
 
They generally wont pass the inspection, because so much power will be sent through the front wheels meaning problems with steering and suspension. Ill see if I can find a link
 
stillstanding45 said:
a 4g63 will be illegal as it is too powerful for a fwd so it will no pass an inspection. If you are looking at turbo, go for a 1.8 DOCH gsr engine :D
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Eh? :eh: That makes no sense at all. Choosing a g93t over a 63 is not going to get you past inspection. Both are just as illegal as each other until you get them engineered. Fwd has nothing to do with it and how much power is allowed. Have a look at the focus rs, come factory with 229kw and theyre fwd. Fwd 63 conversions have been done countless times. Bryce and henry on this forum are just two of the many that have street legal fwd 63s.

OP yeah you really need to research or find be a lot more specific with what your goals are from the build. Going an NA route is a lot different to prepping it for turbo, so will require very different setups. Also a 63 head will not bolt onto your 93 block. You would need a full engine if thats the way you want to go.
 
BI65ND said:
stillstanding45 said:
a 4g63 will be illegal as it is too powerful for a fwd so it will no pass an inspection. If you are looking at turbo, go for a 1.8 DOCH gsr engine :D
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Eh? :eh: That makes no sense at all. Choosing a g93t over a 63 is not going to get you past inspection. Both are just as illegal as each other until you get them engineered. Fwd has nothing to do with it and how much power is allowed. Have a look at the focus rs, come factory with 229kw and theyre fwd. Fwd 63 conversions have been done countless times. Bryce and henry on this forum are just two of the many that have street legal fwd 63s.

OP yeah you really need to research or find be a lot more specific with what your goals are from the build. Going an NA route is a lot different to prepping it for turbo, so will require very different setups. Also a 63 head will not bolt onto your 93 block. You would need a full engine if thats the way you want to go.
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Yeah, Im just trying to find a link for it. Ive just read that people have done these conversions and they have not been passed and one of the reasons being loss of control of steering. It might be different in other states on what is passed :think:
 
if you are looking to turbo, dont do any support mods to your engine yet, they will likely suit NA more than turbo

if i was getting ready to turbo my car i would be buying all the turbo bits and mocking it up on the engine when u have spare time for it to be off the road
buying the right size injectors for your turbo build, mocking up all your intercooler piping, turbo manifold and turbo, oil feeds and returns, finding a place to tune it and figuring out which ECU you are going to use

TBH if you have the 4g93, just boost the sohc, it will go great and isnt that expencive to boost, dohc isnt really worth the cost on that one
 
Thanks Res... I was thinking of doing that but at the moment cannot afford to have my car off the road yet... I thought the 63 head bolted up to the 93... which is why I'm asking all the questions... I thought the 4g63 was the gsr motor
 
you dont even have to have ur car off the road, just buy all the bits and make sure they all are going to fit, then mock up piping over a weekend

once u get all the manifold turbo dunp and intercooler piping and silly joins just have the car off the road for a weekend and mock it all up, put it back to gether once it will all fit
if your doing a turbo build you will have to do this anyway
 
If your going turbo as res said, dont touch your engine at all, all you need to do is collect everything, such as manifold ,dump pipe ,turbo ,injectors ,fuel pump , oil feed lines, then mock up an intercooler, you can have that mounted and leave it on in a day, then mock the piping up, and when your ready smash it all on, theres only one issue you wont avoid, is getting someone to install and tune an ecu to run it. Its innevitable that the car will be off the road thats life, rome wasnt built in a day as they say,

In saying that, i aquired all the parts to my conversion and had my car completely converted in a week just working on it after work everynoght for a good 3-4 hours and had no issue with a tune as i ran a 93t ecu along with all its running gear (gsr front cut)

So yeah, its just time management basically. And saving $$ where you can
 
yeah just cant have it off the road atm, i know it will be off the road during tuning and such, im getting a v8 ute aswell and the turbo lancer will be my daily... if i get bigger injectors and better fuel pump now i can still run them til turbo or whatever else cant i?
 
Shouldn't be an issue, but it's better to just do it in one hit... Heck a 4G93 engine is pretty cheap now days, chuck a spare on a stand, do all your goodies to it and when the time comes its just a 'simple' swap of the engines.

But in the terms of boosting the 4G93 SOHC, I'd be looking into closely what ECU you can/cannot use. (eg. Can you use the GSR ECU being it's a DOHC, etc etc?)
Main thing that helped put me off turboing the 94 was the price of an ecu and tune. (Aftermarket). Yet if you do get a CM5A half cut, everything is there for the 1.5k(?) price, brakes, engine, turbo, ecu, wiring. And it's practical plug and play.


You also mentioned to me about the 6A12. TBH don't bother. You'll get as good, if not better times on the CM5A engine. And the CM5A has more potential with a bigger turbo. The issue with the 6A12 is (in my mind) the wiring. It's not exactly plug and play. I've heard all the lancer acecssories plug in and all that, but I've had to strip not only the engine loom but the interior loom as well, which makes it not very attractive imo.
 
Or just buy my turbo kit
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/18107400...X:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_1614wt_1091

cm5a kit is a valid option....but.....

unless you plan on running it stock and never touching the engine bay again it's not worth it....beccaaaauuusee

1.5k (+2k+ for engineering/paperwork/labour/maintenance) for an extra 60kW atfw,

unless you increaseboost/power = more engine maintenance/failures = more replacements = non-existant/$$$$ for CM5A

A essentially built SOHC is as good as a built DOHC, unless you are pro-mad-race-tuner who requires 100% performance from every component.

I'll be bold enough to say in the real world a complete turbo 4G93 SOHC will cost you less with greater performance than a turbo 4G93 DOHC
 
If i were to do it again id turbo the stock 93 and tune, henry pulls more power from his 1.5 turbos than i do atm, but in saying that once i get a tune on a stock setup, ill pull heaps more,

Also skip cm5a front cuts come in at about $2500-$3000 usually.
 
Joshy_morris said:
Also skip cm5a front cuts come in at about $2500-$3000 usually.
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Cheaper then some of the 6A12 cuts i've seen, ouch.



I'm also going to put it out there, that if it's a daily I wouldn't be doing any maaddd conversions, just do some N/A mods. :think:
 
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