Coilover questions

7R3N7 said:
some people like a stiff ride as you can feel more of the car, i have 8/8's on stiffest and don't think its too stiff. on the softest though its mad comfy, maybe i'm just used to the harsh ride by now haha
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I want to live where you live. I have 8/6s and when they're set stiff you can't keep the accelerator pushed in because you're bouncing so much and your foot bounces off the pedal.
 
lancer1993 said:
Just spoke to a Suspension place and coilovers are NOT illegal just as long as you don't go too low BUT the problem is the ride quality goes out the window, unless you spend like $6k on them. I can get a 'normal' set up with lower but legal springs and German shocks (Used on top German cars like BMW) for less that $1k. No I won't have adjustable suspension but it will be low, about 1 inch from the current 2 inch gap between the top of the tires and fender. The ride will be usable on normal roads and I won't get stuck on driveways. Also it will have less body roll so better in corners than the standard setup and should be better under brakes without it pitching forward when braking hard.

I just can't see using coilovers for my daily ride at this point, if I was making a track car then I'd say yes!
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yeah, thats pretty much mostly bs, you can get an acceptable level of ride quality from coilovers, you just need to set them sensibly (not preload the spring, set an effective dampening point not just full firm). they probably just wanted to sell you their alternative.
the illegality is in the height adjustability, as stated by lilandonaki.

as for a middle ground, the set of bc 6/4 with a sensible dampening point was fairly comfortable in my cj thats for sure. unfortunately the build quality wasn't up to notch, but even in my ch with 7/5 when i softened the dampening I could safely drive my grandmother around without any complaints.
 
They sell coliover and have details on them now I guess to them it really doesn't matter as they only get paid for fitting them not the cost of the parts.

A good comparison is the genuine parts, first they can't get front springs, I guess they'd have to get them through Repco or something. But the cost is the killer, well over $2000k for the parts, plus fitting and while it will be like new it's no better than what I have now.

I'll check out a few other places but need to save up before I can do anything, don't want to put them on the credit card :lol:
 
yeah im at 5/7 spring rate and its pretty good. a little stiff but i got coilovers so i could take corners like a go-kart and lower my car.
 
BI65ND said:
7R3N7 said:
some people like a stiff ride as you can feel more of the car, i have 8/8's on stiffest and don't think its too stiff. on the softest though its mad comfy, maybe i'm just used to the harsh ride by now haha
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I want to live where you live. I have 8/6s and when they're set stiff you can't keep the accelerator pushed in because you're bouncing so much and your foot bounces off the pedal.
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haha nah the roads around my place are terrible but i do more highway driving and most main roads are fine.

its not bouncy just stiff lol. if yours is bouncy then you might have accidentally lowered it wrong and adjusted the preload on the springs
 
7R3N7 said:
BI65ND said:
7R3N7 said:
some people like a stiff ride as you can feel more of the car, i have 8/8's on stiffest and don't think its too stiff. on the softest though its mad comfy, maybe i'm just used to the harsh ride by now haha
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I want to live where you live. I have 8/6s and when they're set stiff you can't keep the accelerator pushed in because you're bouncing so much and your foot bounces off the pedal.
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haha nah the roads around my place are terrible but i do more highway driving and most main roads are fine.

its not bouncy just stiff lol. if yours is bouncy then you might have accidentally lowered it wrong and adjusted the preload on the springs
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No. Bouncy cos hume highway + mega stiff car. Didn't mean Bouncy as in it literally keeps bouncing. That road is completely dug up and the car does not stop shaking and jarring the whole way of you drive it with the coils set to stiff.
 
How do reckon this would be?

2x Koni 8610 1343 sport adjustable
2x Koni 80 2714 sport adjustable $570 delivered plus
King progressive lowered springs $200.

That should give a lowered stance and a firm, progressive ride that won't jar your fillings and be all legal.
 
Flash635 said:
How do reckon this would be?

2x Koni 8610 1343 sport adjustable
2x Koni 80 2714 sport adjustable $570 delivered plus
King progressive lowered springs $200.

That should give a lowered stance and a firm, progressive ride that won't jar your fillings and be all legal.
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It would be a give a good setup, however the reason alot of people dont do this is already you are near 800$ with that setup
Majority of people will just go coilovers as they last longer as a whole unit, and overall have more options

But yes if a bit more progressive ride is what you want then that is a way to go most lowering springs for ce/cc are about the 5kg rate
Alternative is a nice soft sprung coilover like a 5/4kg setup
 
I agree with Res.

After years of being on lowered springs my strut mounts and bearings are finally shot. The ride is horrible on the lowered springs and the only way to correct that would be like the setup above.

But the price of kyb agx shocks alone is over $800 then I've got to account for my time for disassembly and reassembly and also the strut tops and bearings which I can't buy for a reasonable price anywhere.

After discussing all this with my missus her response was "start saving because your going coilovers". So the saving has begun and after a discussion I had with Henry a while ago I'm planning a 6/4 spring rate.

With having so many people on this forum having such positive feedback with the bc's it would be stupid to go anything else at this point.

Also if your concerned about legality of going coilovers TECHNICALLY Super low springs are illegal anyway, you've dropped too much suspension travel and the ride is too harsh for Roadworthy.
 
hotwyr said:
Also if your concerned about legality of going coilovers TECHNICALLY Super low springs are illegal anyway, you've dropped too much suspension travel and the ride is too harsh for Roadworthy.
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Just a side note, 99% of coilovers would be legal in the sense that they do technically still retain VicRoads' required "2/3rd of original suspension travel", however the fact they are adjustable throws everything out the window lol. Stiffness doesnt matter, its how far the shocker can move, and you'll find that in the VicRoads Mod guideline book thingo
 
I've heard talk of if you lock the coilovers (weld) and make them non height adjustable you can get them legalized. Just one of things I suppose, it may be illegal but there is always ways around it. In my mind coilovers will always be more legal than super low springs anyway.
 
hotwyr said:
I've heard talk of if you lock the coilovers (weld) and make them non height adjustable you can get them legalized. Just one of things I suppose, it may be illegal but there is always ways around it.
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They would still need to be engineered however, as welding the ring to lock adjustment doesnt automatically make it legal.

hotwyr said:
In my mind coilovers will always be more legal than super low springs anyway.
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+1
 
I find it interesting that after all the information on this website some people still think that springs and shocks are a better idea than coils. Coils seem like a better option any day to me.
 
jamente said:
I find it interesting that after all the information on this website some people still think that springs and shocks are a better idea than coils. Coils seem like a better option any day to me.
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not always. both options are viable depending on your needs.
keep in mind its a choice between cheap coilovers, or decent springs and shocks that you can have some faith in consistent performance.
 
they would last the same lifetime as any other monotube shock

so say oem shocks last 120,000kms (on standard height springs)
then the shock inserts in coilovers should last a similar time

please note there are also rebuilt inserts readily available for BC coilovers aswell as replacment parts if something were to die and needed a new part
 
From what I've seen, here and taking to a suspension workshop is that coilovers are not illegal as long as you don't lower the car too much. They don't need to be welded up to stop future adjustment. Like anything common sense comes into it and if you lower it too much and get caught then it's your own fault. As long as people follow the law on min hight then you should be fine.

But like I said each to there own, I'll probably just go with lower springs and better shocks fitted by a pro as an alignment will be needed.
 
lancer1993 said:
From what I've seen, here and taking to a suspension workshop is that coilovers are not illegal as long as you don't lower the car too much. They don't need to be welded up to stop future adjustment. Like anything common sense comes into it and if you lower it too much and get caught then it's your own fault. As long as people follow the law on min hight then you should be fine.

But like I said each to there own, I'll probably just go with lower springs and better shocks fitted by a pro as an alignment will be needed.
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Personally I would take this advice with a grain of salt, give me a definitive statement from a relevant road transport authority stating that adjustability with the capability of being below the legal ride height is acceptable and your point is valid, otherwise it's just conjecture.
 
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