Here is a "brief" listing of brake upgrades and information.
A lot of this may not be completely accurate, and is being updated & edited to correct this. Do not take any information provided here as 100% truth.
Before doing any brake upgrades, double and triple check your research, and get advice from a brake installer professional.
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[centre]Brake Upgrade Information[/centre]
After spending a fair amount of time asking around (thank you Tron, Ian, Skip and others), I now have a fair amount of understanding of what brakes can fit up to the Lancer and Mirage.
There are a number of ways of upgrading, from basic level to advanced. My knowledge is mainly restricted to entry level, as the majority of these cars would not be fast enough to require very large and flashy brakes. Anyway, here we go.
Note: All Protons mention are assumed 1st Gen Protons (Satria, Satria GTI, M21, Persona, Wira, Jumbuck etc), Gen2 Protons are unconfirmed (Gen2, Savvy, Inspira etc)
First off, a couple of basic information points and whatnot:
D = Diameter
H = Height (Offset)
T = Thickness
C = Centre Hole Diamter
S = Stud Pattern
What can we learn from this??
CC GSR rotors are the exact same as Proton (>1.6L), except they maintain 4x100 stud pattern.
Magna TR/TS/KR/KS (V6) rotors are the exact same as FTO rotors (they even use the same DBA part number)
Magna TR/TS/KR/KS (V6) rotors are the exact same as EVO1-3 rotors, except the stud pattern changes from 5x114 to 4x114.
Mini Cooper rotors are the same diameter as FTO Mivec front/EVO1-3/MagnaV6, except they are 1mm shallow in offset (height) this is compensated by the rotor being 2mm thinner than FTO Mivec/EVO1-3/MagnaV6, and most importantly they retain 4x100 stud pattern.
In terms of brake rotor & caliper sizing: (largest to smallest)
EVO Brembo (330mm?) >
VR4 facelift(?)/EVO4/294mm >
FTO/VR4/Magna twin piston 276mm >
FTO/Magna single piston 276mm >
GSR(proton) 256mm >
Standard 236mm
Caliper Sizings:
Evo 1-3/FTO Mivec (both twin pistons) are larger than
Magna V6 ABS model is twin piston, which in turn are larger than
Magna V6 non-ABS or FTO non-mivecs (both are single piston)
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Upgrades for the Mirage & Lancer include, but are not limited to: NOTE: These upgrades are based on maintaining the stock stud pattern of 4x100, using other rotors with same physical dimension is possible to achieve different stud patterns
FRONT:
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REAR: *Usually with the rear brakes a drum-to-disc conversion occurs, as drums loose effectiveness as soon as they heat up
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-When performing a rear brake conversion (from drum brakes to disc brakes), its highly suggested to increase the brake Master Cylinder to a larger one.
This will stop the brake pedal from feeling soft and spongy, and will help to keep the pedal firm. However a good brake bleed will still retain the firm pedal feel
-When changing from the standard front brakes, especially to twin pot calipers, its almost necessary to change to a larger brake master cylinder.
-If upgrading to braided brake lines, ADR approved lines are recommended. This is a quote from HEL UK:
-To summarise:
A 276mm rotor will usually need to be redrilled to a 4x100 stud pattern. They will then fit and pair up with any EVO 1-3, FTO, or Magna calipers.
A 256mm rotor will sometimes need to be redrilled to a 4x100 stud pattern. They will then fit and pair up with CC GRS, Proton (with an engine >1.6L) calipers.
(Needs correction & adjusting)
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This list is notcomplete, and may not be 100% accurate.
A lot of this may not be completely accurate, and is being updated & edited to correct this. Do not take any information provided here as 100% truth.
Before doing any brake upgrades, double and triple check your research, and get advice from a brake installer professional.
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[centre]Brake Upgrade Information[/centre]
After spending a fair amount of time asking around (thank you Tron, Ian, Skip and others), I now have a fair amount of understanding of what brakes can fit up to the Lancer and Mirage.
There are a number of ways of upgrading, from basic level to advanced. My knowledge is mainly restricted to entry level, as the majority of these cars would not be fast enough to require very large and flashy brakes. Anyway, here we go.
Note: All Protons mention are assumed 1st Gen Protons (Satria, Satria GTI, M21, Persona, Wira, Jumbuck etc), Gen2 Protons are unconfirmed (Gen2, Savvy, Inspira etc)
First off, a couple of basic information points and whatnot:
D = Diameter
H = Height (Offset)
T = Thickness
C = Centre Hole Diamter
S = Stud Pattern
- Lancer and Mirage standard brake rotors are;
D- 236mm
H- 45mm
T- 18mm
C- 64mm
S- 4x100
DBA413
- Protons larger then 1.6L are;
D- 256mm
H- 45mm
T- 18mm
C- 64mm
S- 4x100
DBA414
(rear RDA is RDA410)
- CC GSR rotors are;
D- 256mm
H- 45mm
T- 18mm
C- 64mm
S- 4x114
DBA?????
- Evolution 1-3 are;
D- 276mm
H- 45mm
T- 24mm
C- 69mm
S- 4x114
DBA402
- FTO w/6A12 rotors are;
D- 276mm
H- 45mm
T- 24mm
C- 69mm
S- 5x114
DBA425
- Mini Cooper (2004 w/1.6L SOHC engine) rotor's are;
D- 276mm
H- 44mm
T- 22mm
C- 64mm
S- 4x100
DBA542
- Magna TR/TS (KR/KS) V6 Engine rotor's are;
D- 276mm
H- 45mm
T- 24mm
C- 69mm
S- 5x114
DBA425
- Brakes that are 276mm with require 15" wheels as a minimum, however, not all 15" wheels fit as the clearance varies on offset, and rim design.
What can we learn from this??
CC GSR rotors are the exact same as Proton (>1.6L), except they maintain 4x100 stud pattern.
Magna TR/TS/KR/KS (V6) rotors are the exact same as FTO rotors (they even use the same DBA part number)
Magna TR/TS/KR/KS (V6) rotors are the exact same as EVO1-3 rotors, except the stud pattern changes from 5x114 to 4x114.
Mini Cooper rotors are the same diameter as FTO Mivec front/EVO1-3/MagnaV6, except they are 1mm shallow in offset (height) this is compensated by the rotor being 2mm thinner than FTO Mivec/EVO1-3/MagnaV6, and most importantly they retain 4x100 stud pattern.
In terms of brake rotor & caliper sizing: (largest to smallest)
EVO Brembo (330mm?) >
VR4 facelift(?)/EVO4/294mm >
FTO/VR4/Magna twin piston 276mm >
FTO/Magna single piston 276mm >
GSR(proton) 256mm >
Standard 236mm
Caliper Sizings:
Evo 1-3/FTO Mivec (both twin pistons) are larger than
Magna V6 ABS model is twin piston, which in turn are larger than
Magna V6 non-ABS or FTO non-mivecs (both are single piston)
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Upgrades for the Mirage & Lancer include, but are not limited to: NOTE: These upgrades are based on maintaining the stock stud pattern of 4x100, using other rotors with same physical dimension is possible to achieve different stud patterns
FRONT:
- Mitsubishi Magna TR or TS V6 model:
-NON-ABS model (Single Piston): bolt up
-ABS model (Twin Piston): bolt up, however requires 4mm to be shaved off the banjo-bolt to fit.
**Paired with:** - Mini Cooper S Rotors (276mm) DBA 542
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- Mitsubishi GSR Lancer Calipers
**Paired with:** - Proton (>1.6L Engine) rotors (256mm) DBA 414
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- Any Proton (Engine >1.6L) Calipers
**Paired with:** - Proton (>1.6L Engine) rotors (256mm) DBA 414
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- Mitsubishi Evolution I, II, III calipers
**Paired with:** - Mini Cooper S Rotors (276mm) DBA 541
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- Mitsubishi FTO entire front suspension is bolt in (unsure if LCA is needed) (easiest to just grab everything from the front, it will all bolt in, keep in mind that the swaybar attaches to the strut and spring combo (which you will also need))
*note that this will turn your stud pattern into 5x114.3, and cannot be converted unless returning to OEM parts*
*Also note that this will extend out the wheel due to the increased LCA length.*
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REAR: *Usually with the rear brakes a drum-to-disc conversion occurs, as drums loose effectiveness as soon as they heat up
- Any Proton with an engine > 1.6L Calipers
**Paired with:** - Any Proton with an engine > 1.6 rotors (256mm)
*Note: you will need the entire trailing arm to make things a LOT easier. This also includes the whole handbrake cable. The brake hose is interchangeable (also note that the trailing arm isnt necessary, but you would (still) need the hub, rotor, caliper and handbrake cable). - RDA410 is the RDA part number for discs
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- Mitsubishi Evolution I, II, III calipers
**Paired with:** - Mitsubishi Evolution I, II, III rotors (260mm)
*Note: you will need the entire trailing arm to make things a LOT easier. This also includes the whole handbrake cable. The brake hose is interchangeable.*
- Mitsubishi FTO entire rear suspension is bolt in (easiest to just grab everything from the rear, as it will all bolt in)
*note that this will turn your stud pattern into 4x114.3 from the OEM 4x100*
*Also note that this will extend out the wheel due to the increased LCA length.*
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-When performing a rear brake conversion (from drum brakes to disc brakes), its highly suggested to increase the brake Master Cylinder to a larger one.
This will stop the brake pedal from feeling soft and spongy, and will help to keep the pedal firm. However a good brake bleed will still retain the firm pedal feel
-When changing from the standard front brakes, especially to twin pot calipers, its almost necessary to change to a larger brake master cylinder.
-If upgrading to braided brake lines, ADR approved lines are recommended. This is a quote from HEL UK:
From this we know that if 276mm brakes are on the front, FTO braided lines will be most suitable, as UK Mirage/lancer/Colt owners have run into problems with Evo fittings. This is due to hose length. FTO lines closest match stock Lancer/Mirage line length"A NOTE TO ANY COLT OWNERS - Whatever you are told, hear it from the horses mouth right here - Evo 1/2/3 kit IS NOT the same as the FTO kit, and NEITHER kit is the same as a Colt kit! The hose lengths are different in all 3 instances... (although on the face of it, the fittings are the same for all 3 cars)".
-To summarise:
A 276mm rotor will usually need to be redrilled to a 4x100 stud pattern. They will then fit and pair up with any EVO 1-3, FTO, or Magna calipers.
A 256mm rotor will sometimes need to be redrilled to a 4x100 stud pattern. They will then fit and pair up with CC GRS, Proton (with an engine >1.6L) calipers.
(Needs correction & adjusting)
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This list is notcomplete, and may not be 100% accurate.