Lost engineering certificate

Hey guys,

I've been contemplating taking my Lancer out of storage and using it as a track car.

Cliff notes:
1. It has a 6A12 MIVEC, coilovers, brake upgrade, bucket seats etc
2. It has been engineered, but I have lost the certificate (NSW signatory engineer cert)
3. It has been registered in the ACT years ago with the 6A12 using the above certificate
4. The 6A12 in it now is different to the one it was engineered with and previously registered with (ie, different engine numbers)
5. If I am to register it, it is in NSW


My questions:
1. Can it be registered without the certificate on the basis that the previous registration papers state it has a 6A12?
2. How much is a NSW engineers report?
3. Does anyone know if engineers keep copies that I can procure?
4. Do the mismatched engine numbers cause an issue?
5. It will never be used as a daily driver. Do I have other options of driving it once a month or so without registering it?
6. Anything to keep in mind, other options, suggestions etc?


Thanks in advance

Cars can only be registered in NSW if they have a Pink/Blue slip and a Greenslip.

Blue/Pink is a roadworthy inspection, which the "slip" is then uploaded to the RMS computer systems.
Greenslip is a Compulsory Third Party insurance, which can be bought online, over the phone etc.

Yours sounds like it will need a blueslip (out of rego for more than 2-3 months) instead of a pinkslip (cars that still have rego or have only been out for less than 2 months I think)

Im assuming you have a modplate on the firewall or something? If so you might pass blueslip if you show the guy your modplate, but its really up to the individual inspector as to whether your car is worthy or not.
Some wont even pass modified cars with engineering. Some will pass easier stuff.

Your best bet is to go ask the guy that engineered your car. Or just take your car down to the AUVIS station and ask for a blueslip, and see what they complain about, you may need also ask for a "change of records" because the engine number is different.

You just need to get it inspected as normal, the Engineers certificates are kept on file at the RTA/RMS.
Because you need a full inspection, they will automatically get the new engine number which will be ammended in their system, the car is engineered for an engine change, not a specific engine number.
So:
1/ Yes
2/ around $1000
3/ Engineers and the RTA/RMS must keep copies, yes.
4/ No, the inspection station will get the new numbers
5/ No, your car is not old enough to be on the different types of rego provided by car clubs
6/ I would firstly, contact the engineer to get a copy, so the inspection station are aware of the engineers certificate, they won't pass it otherwise.

Thanks guys,

No there is no modplate on the firewall. All I had was the report that outlined everything about the car. The inspection people accepted it and passed it.

I don't know who engineered it, as it was a included in the package by the garage that did the conversion. Though this appears to be obtainable information.

Have there been any changes in rules and/or regulations that may mean the engineers report is no longer valid? It's from 2004.

No, it's always valid for that vehicle, mine was from 1996, had a full roll cage engineered. Now you cant get that done, but it is still valid for then.

Old engineers certs are not always on the rta let alone the new RMS system.
I've had cars engineered in the past and shown the rta the papers. The following year they know nothing of it.
Not all vehicles are mod plated. The paperwork is what gets you by. The mod plate alone will do nothing for you in NSW.
Ones I knew that were mod plated were done by TIC Engineering which were blacklisted a long time ago.

My current vehicle has legitimate cert done and on the rego it is identified as being engineered on the current system. I was notified that it is all on the electronic system now and bringing up the plates will show it is engineered under a certain certificate number.
Yet I've been given grief by the 5-0 they dont even accept the current new VCCS system.
Yet anyone can go run my plate on the RMS website and it shows my car as being engineered.

Spetz unless you go back to GPC who built the car and find out who engineered it i doubt you will get very far.
It was all done on a system that is now outdated.

To be honest it is only a 2L naturally aspirated engine and might be able to just get a bluey unless you get knocked back for increased cylinders. Just install stock suspension and stock seats and call it a day.

I will need to go back to the original engineer.
Are they obligated by law to keep all their reports?

Depends if it was under the old engineering scheme or the new VSCCS

I bought an old coupe that was engineered under the old process and unregistered for 8 months thinking all I would need to do it rego it with the engineering papers, but the RMS wouldn't allow it as its not under the VSCCS, I needed to get the car re engineered, so I stripped it

All new engineering docs kept on file at the RMS and the police can view it at any time, if it wasn't sent to te RMS then the reports wernt done properly, the engineer needs to give you 3 copies of the cert when it get it done, 1 original, 1 copy and 1 RMs copy which you will need to hand in to RMS (unless the engineer does it)

Some engineers are also picky, my engineer offers a mod plate that needs to be fixed in the engine bay, it may not mean anything but its good when the police open the bonnet and sees a nice plate in the with all the affected ADRs

Can anyone give me a blueslip for the car?
For example in Canberra since the car was classed as modified a normal garage/mechanic could no longer do a roadworthy on it, and the only way was to go through the RTA pits.

Only licenced blueslip inspection workshops can do it, just g see a few workshops that do pink slips and ask them if they can do blues or refer you to a place that does

I have compliance certificate issued 18/12/2014 for my 74 FJ40 modded with a V8 engine 302 Cleveland 1972 Ford 500 Fiarlane motor with extensive modz on certificate. Question is I left car unregistered for 3 months now since 31st December 2018, I have a blue slip now, do I need another compliance certificate or is this still valid on RMS system for green light to re register as per normal? As every year I registered it with a pink slip, but this my first time I left it lapsed to bluey...

As far as I know, you just need your cert and take it with you when you get it blue slipped.

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As far as I know, you just need your cert and take it with you when you get it blue slipped.

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Okies cheers