Heads up on turboing A N/A lancer

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To date particularly with the new models their is only one turbo kit sold in production that will suit any NA lancer, Road Race Motorsports turbo kits.

Now some people who might be new to the modding scene(by no means am i a professional) might think its quite easy just to dump on a turbo kit. What you really need to do is look at your budget, what you want to achieve out of it, the on going costs and maintenance wear and tear and the possibility (especially when your young) that some insurance companies are either going to rip you off or refuse to insure a car that was custom turboed.

Now ill direct this next part to current CJ holders, don't take offence if you own a older lancer as theirs more of a modding scene out their more than ever due to the fact that the older engine has been in use for quite a while.

Their are two current attempts at a turbo kit, they are the daily driver complete Road Race Motorsports Kit, it comes with pretty much everything you need for a stage one low boost turbo and the (what i call a failure) Xtremeboost's Turbo kit.

Now if your thinking well id like to go for a turbo that gives me some more power yet maintenance isn't going to be all that hard and its sort of a once of mod, Road Race is your kit. The best result from the kit is most likely what your going to get when you buy and apply, if you need further power you are going to have to spend big on internal engine mods and the best phrase that comes to mind buy a evo or a ralliart simple... unless of course you use $100 bills as toilet paper then tear some off for me :D. Heres a video link Redneck Turbo :D

The XtremeBoost Turbo kit, well this thing has dragged on for ages. It was pretty much promised to be delivered back in early may 2008 and has went on longer than expected. They have one video on the internet at the moment Xtreme Boost Dyno Run. To be honest ive got a 50 50 opinion on them but i really think if they can get a sort of DIY kit similar to road race's without the need to go get it tuned for each individual car then this kit is will be at least 1k US dollars cheaper and run at higher boost levels, safe enough to run on stock internals. The guy driving this done 10000 miles with it untuned without one problem.

Now on the other hand their is a genius in Australia who claims to have made his car(lancer with xtreme boost turbo kit) beat a evo X with his kit yet the guys spent a fortune and their is constant ongoing problems the thing is no where near complete from the last news i heard. Why did he fail, Most likely because the lack of support Xtremeboost can give you when your half way around the globe and quite frankly the idiot deserved what he got :D. And for the record if you beat a evo X with your car you would at least video record it not lie especially when your hunk of junk is falling apart and wrecking itself everytime you turn it on.


My advice(remember im not a professional but if you ask ryan i follow this day in day out hoping to see some sort of freakish advancement that will drive my impulse to buy buy buy :D).

Really Consider your options, do you want it to be your unique piece of motorsport art or would you rather something that's going to be easier to deal with to begin with(evo,RA). Think hard and long but if you do decide to take the plunge remember alot of people including myself sit here and speculate without evidence, you will be the one adding to the NA modding scene and perhaps get Mitsubishi thinking(and don't think they sit back and concentrate on evo only because that would only allow the hondas and nissans and toyotas to get infront. They think about making their lower class range more power effective and more attractive to the every day buyer and will definitely allow them to sell more cars) as well as allowing more mods to come out all because it was given a chance rather than closed behind locked doors.

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I think most car companies that have lower class car specs, mid class and high class need to change the way they release their cars. I think the mid class cars should come with beefed up internals allowing owners to purchase an aftermarket turbo/s.charger for their car without having to upgrade so many of the car's internals. In Mitsubishi's case - the Lancer VRX should have better internals that could easily handle a Turbo from the Ralliart model. Now, the car may cost a bit more, but I think people on their P's would consider it if they wanted to get more power down the track. Even if you could only use a product from the actual car company - I still think people would go for it. Sure, you would have a turbo front wheel drive car (not the AWD of an Evo or Ralliart, but you can still live with it - 3MPS drivers do)

There aren't many enthusiasts that love their NA Cars enough to whack in a turbo setup because of cost of so many new parts required and so much time it takes to make sure they get it right and not to harm the engine in any way.

This is just wishful thinking on my part, but unfortunately car companies would probably never consider doing this because it would take sales away from their 'up spec models'. Why else would they release the Lancer Ralliart?

Also, its kinda funny how some companies care enough to get more power out of their NA engines than others. Mitsubishi 2l engine gets around 110kw of power, yet the Honda 2l engine in the Type R has 150kws. Maybe Mitsubishi can follow suit and do an extreme VRX with that sort of power - Even for no other reason than to school a few Commonbore drivers. Give the P-Platers some kind of fun.
 
yeh i dont ever thinkg a NA car with an aftermarket turbo will be quite as reliable or as potent as the engine could perform, just because companies engineer the engines for their specs, not the ones you want to get out of the engine, and as soon as you start doing this forced induction route and pushing the engine beyond what it was designed for, things start to wear out quicker. With the Type R though, that thing costs as much as a ralliart, but ive read that although it has (i thought it was 200kw :S) , without the boost there, it just isnt as exciting, so as much as an increadible motor it is for a small NA car, if you want fun, enjoyment and reliability, a factory turbo is the way to go, that way the car companies already done the hard part - the engineering
 
Don't know if they ever came out with a super version of the car, but the old Integra Type R's had 147kw and the new Civic Hatch models have the same amount. It can do 6.7sec 0-100 (claimed) and revs to 8500rpms but sounds too much like a big-ish car with a small engine (Jezza from Top Gear claims)

They do cost as much as a Ralliart which is sad (nearly bought one when they came out - even sadder :lol: ) but has so many flaws with suspension and drivetrain. But looks awesome on the inside and the outside has a unique shape about it that IMO looks better than any other hatch on the market. But Honda wants more and more money and are getting less and less sales due to that. I wish they would pull the plug and release the sedan/coupe version here in Aus. They have every where else!
 
yeh they def have a unique looking car - dont mind it, but i dunno....torque steer in front wheel drives is such a touchy subject in aus - everyone thinks front wheel drives are just commuter cars - and you start having these high performance machines running all the power to the front wheels and everyones like what a gay car go RWD or *fudge* off kinda attitude :S - rear wheel drives will always be at the heart of Aussies
 
good luck gettin the RS here -_- only way is to go over to europe for 2 years and then import the car as a personal -_- which sucks - although weve got the 2.5lt xr5 turbo >.< not the same though
 
And if I had to go over to Europe for 2 years and bring home a car, I would get a real one. Hmmm Aston or Lambo. Price is half what we pay here.
 
The RS will be in the country next year under a limited import of 500 by Ford according to my mate...

Personally I wouldn't buy it because it's FWD, would much rather a beefed up RA for the same money, or save a bit longer and get an Evo MR. End of the day give a FWD too much power in a corner and you'll find a wall (mind you even a set of cheapy coilovers make understeer much less of a problem), but as mrcool was telling me, he finds with his Evo that he needs to give it some stick through the corner to get the best out of it, just imagine what the Evo X could do with al its new electronic *poo*!! :D

From what I've read to it's active yaw control gives you that feeling of a RWD oversteering by stepping the rear out a bit through the corner but controlling the car and keeping it to the line you want to follow through the corner... Man I'd love to drive an X....
 
Pinched this of a mx5cartalk.com website :D




Hey mate, mine's 100% legal and engineered (when I run an airbox), but I'm in NSW.

I often run it without the airbox and just have a pod filter - this is not legal here, but when we work on it it's a bugger to do anything with the airbox and related piping fitted, so a lot of the time it's not there.

I can give you all the details for NSW but I'm not sure if they are relevant to your state?

In NSW, you can go a few ways:
1- AVO kit is pre approved (AVO have had the kit tested, but only the stage 1 kit) But AVO will only give you the certification if you buy a new kit from them and pay to have it fitted by them or one of thier registered resellers (a rort in my opinion if supplied and home fitted it should still be complied).

2- Do a complete engine swap - Like an SR20 etc. In NSW you need to fit an engine that is equal in age or newer than the original original engine and also fits into specific capacity criterea (but yes an SR20 is legal ) A 13BT is not currently legal here in NSW.

3- Custom kit where you do everything yourself and keep all of the factory ECU and emissions gear- Doesn't require emissions test if your engineer will sign off as it running all stock gear. A lot of cars down here are engineered this way, and then have aftermarket ECUs fitted, so technically they are not legal, but the cops/RTA need to know and prove it.

4- Custom kit with aftermarket ECU/modified emissions gear. This is the Mac Daddy of modification and engineering. Basically you you use the stock engine (or a newer one) as a base and go crazy modifying it, changing anythign you want, adding turbo etc, aftermarket ECU, big injectors and anything else you might want to do. The downside of this option is that you DO require emissions testing, the upside is that if you can get it to pass, she's legal pretty much forever - The best way to go in my opinion.

My car is reasonably tame in the engine department, but does run a medium sized turbo, and aftermarket ECU and fuel system. It's got Suspension mods, a bigger diff, custom shafting, brakes, front mount etc etc.

It's all above board and emissions legal at the time of engineering.
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I'll write another PM shortly about the process here in NSW for a full emissions test/engineering.


Anyways manufacturers will never design the cars to be built up for turbo specs to begin with because they would loose too much power with compression, parts would cost more and servicing would become a pain in the neck particular covering warranties for the cheaper models.

Also for e.g. Mitsubishi wouldn't want to sell themselves short for people looking down a turbo route.

However that being said the fraud xr6 motors have very similar structure's for NA turboing, probably because they couldn't be bothered designing 2 different engines tight ass' :D.

Just a side note that focus is a hunk of crap :p, at least choose like a ralliart colt before that :D cheaper but way better ;) not because im a mitsu fan either
 
I would have a washing list of cars I would get before the Focus, but if I had to be given a FWD car, it would reign over the MPS, Type R, and any other Sports front hatchback......Maybe its just the colour I like, and not the car. Would look wicked on a Ralliart ( I have seen that V Energy drink Ralliart, but thats not the same. It was a crappy colour)
 
i dunno ive officially sat in both as of yesterday and test drove(for *poo*s and giggles went around to a stack of car dealers looking to 'upgrade' and test drive) them and i gotta say the ralliart despite what many think is just a vrx with 4wd turbo goes pretty hard the evo just seems more manual like if anything(only drove the sst evo) and i suppose lets you know their isn't many in the league of cars out their that will piss you off :D.
 
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