Exhaust

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what's up, new here...

just looking for some advice. I just bought a dc sports short ram intake for my lancer es to try and improve engine noise which is awful stock. I'm now looking at an exhuast to try and improve it a bit. Obviously I don't want a ricer fart cannon. I've been looking at greddy supreme sp exhaust. Is it any good? Is something better? looking at about $400

Thanks
 
I haven't heard that exhaust, but I usually tell people to ring aroind local exhaust shop and ask about a catback exhaust. If you want a chrome / stainless tip then go for it. But Mild steel should do you just fine and make a nice noise.
 
what's up, new here...

just looking for some advice. I just bought a dc sports short ram intake for my lancer es to try and improve engine noise which is awful stock. I'm now looking at an exhuast to try and improve it a bit. Obviously I don't want a ricer fart cannon. I've been looking at greddy supreme sp exhaust. Is it any good? Is something better? looking at about $400

Thanks

RA inlet snorkel at $175 new plus modified front panel would have taken care of both noise and improved smoother performance.Whiteline AusLancer.jpg
 

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First, welcome to the forum, hopefully members can help with any inquires you have!

As far the the Greedy exhausts go, they are one of the better top quality systems out there. they do a "axle back " and a "cat back" but in your case I gather you are going for a Greddy Supreme SP Universal muffler with built in tip as the don't make a "direct replacement muffler" for the Lancer (that could change at any time) as far as i know, the universal muffler will be fine on the the earlier CG/CH 2lt engines and on the later CJ/CF 2.4L lancers.
And yes they don't sound like a wet fart, not much louder than stock if you drive it normally around town, but when you get into it a bit it has a nice deep/crisp tone to it (something like the old lukey mufflers had back in the 60'', not that anyone would remember back that far anyway) so yes, they don't sound like a fart cannon and are probably equal to the best out there in terms of sound.
Subaru drivers love them as they have bolt up replacements, mate has one on his subaru, it pisses me off every-time he leaves my place as it sounds so good, as far as other cars i have heard a Honda Civic with one of the universal supreme mufflers fitted, it sounded deep with a bit of a crisp growl, no way comparable to the average 3-4" fart cans around. Be prepared to pay around $280 _$350 for one, let me know if you can find one cheaper?

I have seen dyno results for the full replacement cat back systems, which showed improvements of up to 9HP over stock, with average of 4-6HP, sounds like a lot for just changing to cat back, so i guess a Greddy universal muffler should get you some increase in HP as well as being noteworthy?
 
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Anyone ever come across an aluminum cat back middle pipe.Wonder how it will affect sound?
 
Won't sound much different unless it's wider piping. And again would be pointless unless the rest of the exhaust was also that size. However if the entire exhaust or even catback is stainless, you'll get a mildly sharper note out of it.
 
Won't sound much different unless it's wider piping. And again would be pointless unless the rest of the exhaust was also that size. However if the entire exhaust or even catback is stainless, you'll get a mildly sharper note out of it.

Be interesting to hear from anyone that's tried aluminum, suggest would have to be a difference as sound attenuation is different, duller no ringing less vibration.
 
The obvious advantage is lighter weight

As far as sound goes it will absorb sound a little better (slightly) but not really that noticeable with standard exhaust sizing, but at what payoff ? What length are you talking about aprox? You will find that aluminium dissipates heat approx. 25x better than stainless steel, sure it is lighter but what are you trying to achieve, as you recently soundproofed your car/doors from memory, taking into account the work you have done it may cause you more problems.

Yes, it is lighter weight and it does dissipates heat very well and cools down faster then most other metals. But putting this into perspective with you recent modifications in regards heat and sound deadening done on your CJ it will dissipate the heat into the surrounding areas far more efficiently then SS/Steel, in other words it will heat up its surroundings ie your floor and or exhaust tunnel. As far as the melting point goes, aluminium begins to break up and melt around 660C , steel around 1370C and Stainless steel is around 1400-1450C depending on structure (the average car temp exhaust while driving is truly variable depending on many factors) but remember that the temp that aluminium will start to anneal (soften) is around 400-480C, dependant of course upon thickness etc.

Aluminium can withstand heat but not excessively, and over time it will start to corrode and degrade when heat is added. The aluminium also is more brittle and does not like bending or flexing well.

Not sure exact size of Mitsubishi S/steel factory exhaust pipe, guessing maybe 321ss, maybe could use 304?, but aluminium must be thicker, and taking into account the above factors depending on the length it may need an extra support in middle as when it heats up it can bend if you hit a decent size bump or pothole, i have seen this happen before when the pipe was quite hot and wasn't supported by an extra support.

Another thing is how are you doing this, are you buying a prefab unit, if you are thinking about cut/shut make sure the welder is certified to weld aluminium otherwise you will have more problems.

Lots of people run aluminium pipes without any problems for years, im just saying in your case don't overthink it too much with what mods you have done already to cut down noise/heat. :sunglasses:

(disclaimer) all the above sizes/ temp etc quoted are all aprox as too many variables come into play in regards location/thickness etc)
 
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Thanks wagonmaster for such a comprehensive reply. CJ exhaust is 50mm 2 inches. Personally I have no intention of doing anything with my mid pipe,
certainly not before the warranty runs out anyway. New muffler which I have, been told is OK. Maybe somewhere down the line 2 inch in 2 1/2 inch out
with equal to or less noise and reduce back pressure. Understand this along with a RA inlet snorkel which I have fitted and is warranty safe.
Can according to a CJ tuning guru Merlin, along with the RA snorkel, give you an extra 2kw.

Reason and what I was aiming at with the aluminum entry was to offer a possible solution to the person having a problem with "drone"

Haven't been submitting much lately more involved with ClubCJ but do look in here every day. and attempt to help if I feel I can.
Still consider this my preferred club and miss you guys but ClubCJ much more relevant to my needs and yes they too are a great club. Still fitting in there.
Have so far only met one member in person.
 
Most drone comes from simply having an automatic transmission. Gears are held longer and at different RPM especially on earlier model Lancers. Don't know CJ gear ratios unfortunately.

Another contributing factor is pipe diameter. Obviously bigger means louder in most cases. Resonator and muffler deletes (straight pipes) are also huge contributors to drone or harsh sounds.

Basically as long as you have 1 or more resonators and a flow through muffler of decent size and brand, you shouldn't have any drone. I think the 380 has 2.5" piping stock or somewhere around there. It's still super quiet though due to 3 cats and a resonator.

The material of the exhaust won't really affect drone, it will just change the pitch of the drone. Which will vary from person to person as more annoying, less annoying or equally annoying.
 
CJ uses CVT constant velocity transmission. From hard take off, engine jumps to around 3000rpm and transmission catches upat its optimum pace.
Seamless seams fine to me. Able to simulate change points with the gear lever in sport mode.
 
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