Budget track hack!

Jimmib

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Hey guys,

So I have tried searching and cannot find the specific information I require as some has been mentioned and some not so well .... or at all in 1 or 2 cases.

So I have an MY02 mirage I have swapped a 4G93 into. The main goal is a daily driven (reliable) car that I can go to the local track (Ringwood just north of Newcastle as I am a member of MGCCN who runs it) for some Hill climbs/Motorkhana/Khanacross.

I have a complete set of CG/CH 4 stud 276mm(f) and 260mm(r) setups with knuckles and trailing arms (just to find out they won't work as I had hoped).

I have a front strut brace that came from the engines donor car before we scrapped it and done a set of gas shocks and king springs with a set of 15x6.5 wheels and some fairly reasonable tyres it turns out (haven't gone to a track day yet) so it's handling ok but I want some more out of it.

TL;DR

I am making a trip to Sydney hopefully next week to scour PnP for parts so it looks like I am searching for proton GTI's for rear ends basically? hubs, trailing arms, control arms. sway bars (I think I will keep the fronts from the CG/CH and just redrill the rotors) I will be hitting up a local brake shop about making up some ADR braided lines to suit lengths.

Cheers Jimmib
 

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frosty7

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Is the race track next to the hill climb circuit finished yet??? Circuit Italia.
For the events you are talking about you could just use the original brakes with better quality pads. If the new track is finished and you run lap after lap of heavy breaking then upgrades will be required. I use magna twin pot front calipers with redrilled 276 mm rotors with ferodo pads. The rear I fitted the whole rear swing arm from a cs lancer and modded the top camber arm to suit. Rear pads I use a hawk pad.
 

Jimmib

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Not that I am aware of I am hoping to pop out there next Thursday and meet a few of the guys so I will have a sticky beak if I can and let you know
 

Zipper

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We run a full on Mirage track car for super sprints, a CE Lancer for the cheep car chalange at Marulan and another Mirage that we did the S#^$ Box rally in that we now use for Motorkhana and Khanacross.
The track car has 4 spot AP calipers and Cooper S rotors on the front, Proton GTI rear disk on the rear, FTO rear sway bar and stock front sway bar. It runs a 4G93 bottom end with a 4G92 RS head, twin throttle body manifold, Adaptrionic ECU, stock 4G93 gearbox with a KAAZ diff and Mirage cup shocks an d springs. This is a great fun car to drive, dose 1:13's at Wakefield on cheep semi slicks.
The Lancer is basically stock apart from exhaust and front race pads. This is also a great car to race but a bit slower.
If your going to use the car for Motorkhanas DON'T put disks on the rear. They are heaver and don't work anywhere near as well as the stock drums with standard shoes. The Lancer has stock rear shoes and runs in the 4 hour induros at Marulan with out a problem.
 

Jimmib

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Cheers Zipper for that.
so where I am at, I should be fine at least for now.
MAYBE add a sway bar after my next visit and look at better tyres first :D
 

Zipper

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Federal semi slicks are a good tire for $110 each but the more you pay the better the tire. AO50's are probably the best semi slick you will get but you will pay around $380 a tire.
 

Jimmib

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I used to have a set of R888's for my GTR I used for a whole track day before selling it due to life ..... REALLY wish I had kept it considering the price of them these days haha but yea they were a nice tyre from memory too and somewhere around the $220ish mark for 15's (not that I bought them then haha) but at $110 a corner that's almost what I paid for what I have now .... are they road legal out of curiosity? more thinking for getting to the track and back haha so I don't have to keep track of a 2nd set of wheels at the track if I am on my own!
 

Spetz

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I've used Nankang AR-1 semi slicks and Nitto NT01 semi slicks.
The Nittos are far far superior in grip.
I would not recommend the Nankangs
 

Spetz

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You wouldn't want to use a true semi slick on the street.
Best get something like the AD08 which is a great balance of street/track
 

Jimmib

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I have 2 sets of wheels at the moment so I can have a set of semis and a street set but I was more thinking that I can use them to get to and from the track,
only so I don't have to swap tyres at the track and keep track of them while also on track/in the queue!
 

Jimmib

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hey guys, I have been reading and am now curious ... I have swapped 1.8L from a sedan into the hatch and am curious does running the original 4G15 cluster effect the 4G93 ECU? ...... saw something in a Facebook post in one of the lancer/mirage groups I'm in and can't believe that it is possible to corrupt the ECU (and cause issues with running poorly) from using a cluster from 4G15? I honestly wasn't even aware of a difference between the clusters from one engine type to another engine, I just thought it was Auto/Manual that was the difference with gear and tacho as the major changes (and layout as a result) .......

Also thanks Spetz I will have a look into them!
 

donki

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hey guys, I have been reading and am now curious ... I have swapped 1.8L from a sedan into the hatch and am curious does running the original 4G15 cluster effect the 4G93 ECU? ...... saw something in a Facebook post in one of the lancer/mirage groups I'm in and can't believe that it is possible to corrupt the ECU (and cause issues with running poorly) from using a cluster from 4G15? I honestly wasn't even aware of a difference between the clusters from one engine type to another engine, I just thought it was Auto/Manual that was the difference with gear and tacho as the major changes (and layout as a result) .......

Also thanks Spetz I will have a look into them!
The cluster is independent of the ECU - the cluster gets its information from the ecu lol. Ill double check, but 99.99% sure it wont have any impact expect not reading RPM correctly
 

Jimmib

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not that I have a tacho so that's something haha :D also thanks for that as it is sort of confirming my thoughts on the subject just let me know!!!

Also, It is having an issue with idle so I will just replace the whole ISC assembly as I have a feeling there is something going on in there!

But my biggest issue now is I need to know what the limits of the 4G93 (plastic) ECU's are capable of controlling as I am at the point of needing an ECU to finish the turbo conversion!
 

donki

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not that I have a tacho so that's something haha :D also thanks for that as it is sort of confirming my thoughts on the subject just let me know!!!

Also, It is having an issue with idle so I will just replace the whole ISC assembly as I have a feeling there is something going on in there!

But my biggest issue now is I need to know what the limits of the 4G93 (plastic) ECU's are capable of controlling as I am at the point of needing an ECU to finish the turbo conversion!
The plastic case will do any thing you're after, and more. It depends on how extreme you want to push the car.

I run modified evo mapping on my 4G93 plastic case ECU to run my turbo setup - the same mappings let evo's in the UK push 500-600+hp many years ago.
 

Jimmib

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I have a TD04l from a WRX that I have almost rebuilt! so I just need to paint the intercooler and then I can put the manifold and other pipework together. but only plan on running wastegate for now
 

SDate42

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I have a TD04l from a WRX that I have almost rebuilt! so I just need to paint the intercooler and then I can put the manifold and other pipework together. but only plan on running wastegate for now
Stock Ecu has more than what you need, and if you can’t tune it, there are evo/mitsu tuners who are capable of tuning the stock ecu for you. Pay as much as you would for a haltech tune without buying a haltech. Boom.
 
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