Brake Upgrade Information V2.0

When you quoted the part number did they recognise it as the magna one? Just checking (quadruple checking since there are many discrepancies online with the refresher kits and which belong to which but im pretty sure im right)
 
Starting to add to the Rear Brakes section and also tidy up some of the grids on the Front Section.
Just need to sort through some conflicting information but will add whenever i break through.
 
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I was about to ask potentially a dumb question, then i just asked youtube instead.

Never actually bothered to check a rotor thickness either, coincidentally mine are due to be changed! :sunglasses:

 
Yooo, just as an FYI never use verniers to measure your disc size. You will get an incorrect reading, due to the lip on the rotor protruding further than the lowest point on the disc. You can get brake disc verniers if you so desire or a an outside micrometer is the most accurate way to measure.

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Micrometer

EDIT: Also no need to turn the disc 180 and take another measurement, as it will be the same. You should however take multiple measurements at the outer (not on the lip), middle and inner of the rotor surface.
 
so to clarify for future readers who’ve missed today’s shoutbox: the proton rear calipers are the same as the fto rear calipers (casting 3001) and therefore all the seal kit/etc part numbers are the same too

the difference is in the mounting bracket/trailing arm setup:
  • if you want 5x114, pull it all from an fto
  • if you want 4x100, pull it all from a proton
and they’re both also mostly the same as the jdm ca4a, difference being one part in the handbrake mechanism. but we don’t need jdm parts, cause 5x114 and 4x100 options are both available on audm cars, so don’t worry too much about that detail
 
Johnzy said:
Yeah the hard line fittings are the same.
There was no listing for the Eclipse, but there was for the VR4 Galant.
The magna brake lines run up behind the shocker then double back (as a hard line then back to a rubber hose) then to the cars hard line. So they will be way to long.
Ive just asked for a quote from Hel.
See what the quote, hope its not to pricey
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@Johnzy how’d this turn out, are the vr4 lines the correct length?
 
After massaging hel brake line they said the vr4 brake lines are different. I ended up getting a set custom made by Hel but I *fudge*ed up the measurement and the tappers on the fittings didn't work either. But I made it work.

 
I have just put seal kits in a pair of rear proton persona calipers (year was 99). Cast number is 3001 and the seal kit number was KPBC1441S, from power brakes in Adelaide. I believe they are the same as evo 1,2 and 3 because the pads are the same.
 
I'm curious is there anyway to use fto brakes while retaining the 4stud? Say keep the CE knuckle assembly and drill the fto rotors for 4 stud?
 
the 276mm twin piston ones? according to the spreadsheet you should be able to fit the fto caliper and bracket to the ce knuckle, no worries. @Hens can supply 276mm rotors drilled for 4x100, or you can use the mini cooper ones mentioned (with the caveat that their new thickness is thinner than the min thickness of the proper ones)
 
Doomslayer said:
I'm curious is there anyway to use fto brakes while retaining the 4stud? Say keep the CE knuckle assembly and drill the fto rotors for 4 stud?
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You just use the caliper brackets and calipers from the FTO and get mini Cooper rotors and then buy brake pads that suit the FTO. And done.
As for rear you have to get the whole arm assembly from a proton to retain 4 stud but theire is no diff in performance between the proton and FTO rear as they are the same caliper anyway.
 
pLethora said:
You just use the caliper brackets and calipers from the FTO and get mini Cooper rotors and then buy brake pads that suit the FTO. And done.
As for rear you have to get the whole arm assembly from a proton to retain 4 stud but theire is no diff in performance between the proton and FTO rear as they are the same caliper anyway.
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pelican said:
the 276mm twin piston ones? according to the spreadsheet you should be able to fit the fto caliper and bracket to the ce knuckle, no worries. @Hens can supply 276mm rotors drilled for 4x100, or you can use the mini cooper ones mentioned (with the caveat that their new thickness is thinner than the min thickness of the proper ones)
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Love both of you long time. Life savers!
 
pLethora said:
You just use the caliper brackets and calipers from the FTO and get mini Cooper rotors and then buy brake pads that suit the FTO. And done.
As for rear you have to get the whole arm assembly from a proton to retain 4 stud but theire is no diff in performance between the proton and FTO rear as they are the same caliper anyway.
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I need the handbrake cables and etc for the rears with the proton/ftofrankenbrake I'd assume
 
yep, and different protons have different length hand brake cables, though i don’t know how much difference it makes. i think if you have a coupe/rage then any will work (but might be too long), but if you have the 4door you gotta be more careful cause some are too short? but tbh i’m speculating, so listen to someone who actually knows!
 
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