CE Lancer ECU tuning

so think i have finally got all the settings correct, it seems to be driving almost like stock now, with the exception of evo features .

wired up map sensor today and tried to run on speed density. no go. ecu doesnt recognise the map sensor. same with clutch switch. at this point im thinking difference in hardware from ce to evo ecu. what a shame :( il keep working on it...
 
XxOLIVERxX said:
so think i have finally got all the settings correct, it seems to be driving almost like stock now, with the exception of evo features .

wired up map sensor today and tried to run on speed density. no go. ecu doesnt recognise the map sensor. same with clutch switch. at this point im thinking difference in hardware from ce to evo ecu. what a shame :( il keep working on it...
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Have you added any patches/tables to the standard ceddymods definitions? Post up your ROM, im interested in seeing how it works! I cant get a proper idle to sit below 1500rpm, im not sure if this is related to the turbo or not though.
 
If your handy at putting together electronic kits. pop down to Jaycar and pick up a magazine called , Performance electronics for cars. gives you>

instruments eg:smart mixture meter,injector duty cycle meter, etc

Switches and Timers eg: Versatile Auto Timer, Temperature Switch up to 245*C, Delta Throttle timer etc:

Modifiers and Controllers eg: Digital Pulse Adjuster, LCD Hand Controller, Peak-Hold Injector Adjuster, Digital Fuel Adjuster,
Independent Electronic Boost controller, Intelligent Turbo Timer and more.

The Digital Fuel Adjuster is one that cuts into the ECU and makes a direct variable variation through it.
 
peregrine said:
If your handy at putting together electronic kits. pop down to Jaycar and pick up a magazine called , Performance electronics for cars. gives you>

instruments eg:smart mixture meter,injector duty cycle meter, etc

Switches and Timers eg: Versatile Auto Timer, Temperature Switch up to 245*C, Delta Throttle timer etc:

Modifiers and Controllers eg: Digital Pulse Adjuster, LCD Hand Controller, Peak-Hold Injector Adjuster, Digital Fuel Adjuster,
Independent Electronic Boost controller, Intelligent Turbo Timer and more.

The Digital Fuel Adjuster is one that cuts into the ECU and makes a direct variable variation through it.
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Jaycar is awesome for little kits and what not, im very interested to get my hand on some to fiddle with.



Bit of a noob question considering my knowledge on tuning so far, but does anyone know how to log our ECUS with ecuflash and the tactrix or however its done? im at a complete loss on a step by step how-to
 
you use evoscan for logging, its like $25

did you try the flash?? im still screwing around with knock settings trying to work something out, even with cel on knock disabled im getting check engine light and retarding timing. i have previously had it running without the timing issue im fairly sure so will have to keep at it
 
XxOLIVERxX said:
you use evoscan for logging, its like $25

did you try the flash?? im still screwing around with knock settings trying to work something out, even with cel on knock disabled im getting check engine light and retarding timing. i have previously had it running without the timing issue im fairly sure so will have to keep at it
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I know that much, not sure the steps to actually log thou.
Not yet, im overseas until August so thats the earliest chance ill get to check it.
I know I disabled cel on knock, and I do get a cel but its for the afm dying a slow death I think
 
LOGGING WITH EVOSCAN: Lancer CE/ Mirage

Requirements:
Tactrix Openport 2.0 OBD Cable
Evoscan Program: http://www.evoscan.com/
Microsoft Excel or other .CSV reading software

Recommended:
Air/Fuel Ratio gauge with serial output
Serial Port from Jaycar
Serial to USB adaptor cable, also from jaycar, works well. the idea here is you plug this directly into the pc and evoscan records wideband O2 into your logs in real time.

Steps:
-Connect cable and install openport drivers
-Download and install evoscan
-Select openport 2.0 cable in top left of screen
-Select MUTII in the top left of screen
-To the right of that select EFI if using stock rom images, or EFI Ceddymod EVO5/6 if you are using the ceddymod map.
-Choose the Data items you want to log using the checkboxes - i think key here is only select what you need. selecting everything slows things down and i believe it effects the rate data is updated.. meaning your logs arent very smooth
-Start Engine and press 'Start Datalogger ' button , yellow will appear in event log and once connected will change to green.
-Live data can now be viewed in the big list under the reading column as it happens
-Load/Display Gauge Layout and you can make it a little easier to read, i believe you can download more and make your own but haven't played with that side of it yet
-Stop Logger and goto my documents/evoscan 2.9/saveddatalogs and open the .CSV file in EXCEL
-You will now see all the info recorded in one massive spreadsheet. you delete the columns not needed try and compare the values you are getting to the values you have in your map in ecuflash and make changes. reflash again and re-log. rinse and repeat until it comes good :D
 
XxOLIVERxX said:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kpwucby00c6g9yo/oliver 91 rom working.bin?dl=0

this is where i am so far haha.
ceddy evo5/6 with all the stuff changed to 4g93 values with a few minor exceptions, some things could be incorrect and if they are id like to hear all kinds of feedback
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Finally got a chance now im back in Aus to have a look at this Ollie. I only looked for a few moments, at fuel, timing and idle stuff, but its not too bad. Looks like you've smoothed out a little bit of the timing map, and put in your own safeguard at high RPM (as well as a nice pops'n'bangs setup. Launch control looks to be set pretty low RPM, i've found a higher RPM works in particular when at the drag strip because the car will tend to bog down very quickly. Your fuel maps looks neat, a little bit richer than mine when in below 100% load, but thats not a bad thing (12.5:1 is regarded as best for NA power, and for boost, 1 to 1.5 points lower than that). Your idle settings look cleaner than mine, my figures are a lot higher, so thats maybe why i dont idle right.
 
Cool man thats good to hear, i have done alot more changes since then and im pretty happy with it, all the launch settings have changed and im testing on stock size tyres on this car.
We can safely say the reflash is proven to be fine with maf, but at this point in time i have reached a dead end with speed density on the stock ecu :(

Next move would be swap in an evo 8 ecu :D
 
Just gonna say that when I owned a 2000 MR Coupe years ago, I went the piggyback route, by way of a GReddy eManage. Cost me $1200 fitted and dynotuned. I also had a full exhaust system with 4-2-1 headers, 2 ¹/4 inch piping, high flow cat, n a cannon... K&N Apollo CAI and colder plugs, thicker leads.
Piggyback got me a 12% increase.
Sorry can't remember power figures. The main letdowns were that it was only the single cam 4g93 not the double, and the tiptronic :cry:
 
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Can someone explain how timing advance works with piggyback computers?
I mean, does the stock ECU not automatically advance the timing and once it senses knock it retards it? Meaning that advancing timing on a piggyback ECU will do nothing?

I am getting my e-manage blue tuned in a couple of weeks and I am wondering whether all that will be done is the fuel trims adjusted or whether the timing will be played with too.
 
possibly irrelevant but the piggy back I've played with couldn't advance the ignition timing as that would require it knowing in advance when the std ecu was going to fire, see the future so to speak.
 
Correct, @Spetz. The standard ECU cannot advance the timing as it has no feedback loop (knock sensor) - there is only one timing map. In comparison the Evo has two maps, "low" and "high" octane, which will always run in "high" mode and then change to low when it counts X number of knock. Same deal with fuel mapping for the Evo, High and low octance, low octane map being richer to preserver the engine.

Being the fuel maps are so rich on the 4G15, the 4G93, and the 4G63, i would expect the 6A to be no different, and this is where a wideband O2 gauge is crucial. Leaning out the fueling should pick up a couple of horses without any issues, as the timing across all those engines isnt done to the knife edge from Mitsubishi.

Edit: i think in theory, if the piggyback had the base timing of the engine plus a couple other bits of info, it would be able to "learn" the ignition points based on cam and crank angles, and then be able to fire ahead or delay the ignition signal. I dont recall hearing about any piggyback that can do this though,
 
Spetz said:
Can someone explain how timing advance works with piggyback computers?
I mean, does the stock ECU not automatically advance the timing and once it senses knock it retards it? Meaning that advancing timing on a piggyback ECU will do nothing?

I am getting my e-manage blue tuned in a couple of weeks and I am wondering whether all that will be done is the fuel trims adjusted or whether the timing will be played with too.
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Hey mate why go e-manage ? What is wrong with Flashing your stock ecu?
 
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